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Avinash_Tyagi said:
OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Netyaroze said:
We just have to wait and we will see what happens its all speculation. There is no evidence that you have to be the leader to survive 10years or more. Maybe just Sony Consoles can live 10 years maybe it has nothing to do with the leadership. Maybe 60-70 Million Consoles are enough. We had never a case in the past which was even similar to the case today. We have 3 Consoles and the strongest Console didnt even have half of the market. The weakes competitor has more potential sales power then the leader in the 16 bit gen. We just have to wait and we will see.


BTW: PS3>WII Japan again

Well PS3 reaching 60 million is no sure thing, as its trailing the PSP in sales, and the PSP has been on the market for about five years and still hasn't reached 60 million.

Also part of the problem of not being the market leader that results in why consoles don't survive, is because Consoles that aren't the market leader don't see support after the next gen is released, PS3 sees software support because third parties spread across the 360 and PS3, with multiplats, like Modern Warfare 2, once the next gen starts, the PS3 won't see the support of those games, unless the 360 also survives.

 

I actually metioned that PS3 would likely lead Wii until late november or early december, once NSMB Wii launches, that will change, fast, not to mention, FF13 will sell less than 2 million in Japan, so PS3 won't have as big a Holiday Boost as Wii will have

WOW............. your joking right.......... were would that support go hmmmm PC? Becasue it damn sure aint going to nintendo, nintendo wii is the only game console in HISTORY to be market share leader and have next to no 3rd party support. Last gen, you were a fool to not have your game on ps2, and the same for the ps1, and super nintendo, and nes, but not to put great games on wii...... is perfectly ok. If the 360 was to vanish next gen all that would happen is all the 3rd party support it saw would go to PS, and all its support form its commmunity would go to PS. You can't truly think a real gamer would op for a nintendo console over sony console if nintendo and sony were all to choose from, and they had to choose 1.

It'll go to the next gen consoles, not the PS3, PS4 and 720 likely, but not the PS3

again...... your joking right. by that time the ps3 will be killer in sales and to be honest i highly doubt the next gen playstation will come out before the 10 years are up.... developers are just starting to get a taste to the ps3 tech, and how far they can push it. Sooner or later ps3 will become the lead platform for major multiplatform games (for M$ sake that better not never happen) but i'm pretty sure it will, once the ps3 close the gap and show it's worth to developes they will have to learn the tech and when they do, we will start to see  multiplat titles at the same quality of sony's exclusives .......now (sony's exclusives by that time will be god like) and that will only increase the life time. I think this current generation of consoles (ps360) have put themselvs in a position to go on for a really long time with out needing an upgrade.

the only one that WILL upgrade in the short time to come is nintendo wii....... that is if they wan't to finally be apart of this generation in gaming. but they really don't have to, wii fit and sports are doing just fine, it's up to nintendo if they want to become a game company again



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Soap_McTavish said:
It's a different platform. It's a handheld. A handheld that fails horribly at anything other than 2d. It's a game that was incredibly easy and marketed at 7 year olds. I don't see how this game is similar at all.

So suddenly 2D is different than 3D?

 

You yourself said Mario is Mario and if you like Mario you would get the console for it, so all those who bought the DS for Mario, and its a lot who did, when NSMB launched DS was only at 18 million, why wouldn't they get galaxy too by your reasoning, or maybe its because 2D amd 3D are not the same and appeal to different people.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

mario will probably sell more than final fantasy but the ps3 is gonna sell more than wii in december, anyway what with you and the wii? wii this, wii that, how many wii owners are actually gamers? probably not much, most of them are casuals, women, old people etc..



OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Netyaroze said:

again...... your joking right. by that time the ps3 will be killer in sales and to be honest i highly doubt the next gen playstation will come out before the 10 years are up.... developers are just starting to get a taste to the ps3 tech, and how far they can push it. Sooner or later ps3 will become the lead platform for major multiplatform games (for M$ sake that better not never happen) but i'm pretty sure it will, once the ps3 close the gap and show it's worth to developes they will have to learn the tech and when they do, we will start to see  multiplat titles at the same quality of sony's exclusives .......now (sony's exclusives by that time will be god like) and that will only increase the life time. I think this current generation of consoles (ps360) have put themselvs in a position to go on for a really long time with out needing an upgrade.

the only one that WILL upgrade in the short time to come is nintendo wii....... that is if they wan't to finally be apart of this generation in gaming. but they really don't have to, wii fit and sports are doing just fine, it's up to nintendo if they want to become a game company again

ROFL, a killer in sales, you mean third place still?

no new Playstation for 10 years, lol, so they would let MS, get a huge lead on them in the next gen?  You really bought into the 10 year plan PR BS didn't you

Nintendo actually is the top gaming company, just look at sales and customers.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Is the PS3 not on track with the PS1 sales? And the PS1 sold 105 Million Consoles.

Ok lets do it again. The PSP was released December 2004 in Japan ONLY. In USA and Europe it was released 24 March and 1 September 2005.

The PS3 has just 1 1/2 years delay compared to PSP. In 1 1/2 years the PSP will easily have crossed the 60 million mark. Lets say that the PS3 is slightly slower but in 1 1/2 years it would be a little under the PSP lets say 45 Million but still it has 1 1/2 years to sell the 15 Million. Even if nothing has changed what I doubt the PS3 would reach the 60 Million.


There are things which can hinder the PS3 to reach 60 Million in 3 years this factors are unknown so the effect on sales is unknown.

PS3 release Japan/USA 11 November 17 november 2006 Europe 23 march 2007

In Europe the Peak is 2010 and because of high price and production problems it peaks in Japan and NA delayed so 2010 peak year means 2010 higher sales then 2009. If it really peaks in 2010 then its sure that 60 Mio until 2012 are easy to achieve. And with 60 Mio Consoles its no problem to survive 10 years because if it werent for WII and XBOX360 then with a little over 60 Mio the PS3 would be on third place of all consoles. 60 Mio is enough to live 10 years and because of the game support. There are dozens of solutions like a the PS3 will be a big platform the costs for even better graphic will be higher again. WII 2 releases and will be a bit better then PS3 (2 times) the programmer could make games for both. With the support after a new gen releases. You cant know this because this Gen the last place will be higher then the first place in 16 bit area. And if the Xbox360 stays in front of the PS3. And the PS3 would peak in 2010 then the last place console would outsell the SNES and the NES we cant know how its going to be its simply impossible. You cant know how the Developers will react how the market will be if it will be way cheaper to produce for HD Consoles then for the 8 gen Consoles which eventually have real 3d and need 1080p 120 FPS. We dont know how the people will behave. It can go every way. You think its impossible but you cant know it I cant know it either. Nobody can know it. I gave you the past hours a lot of reasons why exactly the opposite could happen and I will wait for future data which shows us the way it will go.

Nobody can say how the trend will be. After 2010 we have seen natal impact Wand impact. And we will see which year is PS3 peak year after 2010 we will be able to judge the situation a lot better then in the past.


And because of Japan. We will see what happens. You think that NSMBWII will sell more Consoles then FF13 in Japan I think it wont happen. We saw how a little demo boostet the PS3 from under 10k to 60k in its badest times.

The demo of FF13 was a system seller. We just have to wait and see. Ofcourse there is no 2d mario but people which liked the NES or SNES bought a WII a long time ago because of the Virtual Console games. And its not the first 2d mario you can play arent there mario Bros 1-2-3 Mario World on the Wii ?

There are not hundreds of thousand people in Japan which love Mario but dont play 3d mario Games. And dont play other Nintendo games and dont like to play the old classic games.

The WII has reached a point where the market is saturated the Japanese are bored with new technology pretty quick. You can see the last 2 months the PS3 is always in front of the WII. I think sometimes it was practically tied but most of the time it was in front of the Wii. The PS3 was to expensive the people dont bought the console because it was expensiv. The market for PS3 is not saturated. And FF13 is the first FF since FF12. The people are starving for FF 13 you can see it because they buyed over priced bundles with a demo for 499 Dollar.


NSMB WII will be big it will be gigantic. It probably will be bigger then FF13 but it wont move more consoles then FF 13. Which person like Mario and dont play Mario games which person like 2d mario and dont buy the first Console since ages which offers 2d Mario games and combines legaly the ability to play Game Cube games Nintendo 64 games Super nintendo games and NES games ? The profile for the person which would buy a WII just because of NSMBWII is pretty weird. Ofcourse it will sell consoles but lesser then 2008 Christmas. And even if there would exist a Effect you couldnt see it because it would be down YOY. Japan is the only country which had just a small effect after the pricecut. And which is even more down YOY then Wii is down in other areas. Wii peaked in Japan 2008 clearly. It wont be possible to catch 2008 numbers and especially Christmas peaked in 2008.

Just 6 weeks to wait and then we will see it. I am pretty curios how you will react after its clear that even your WIi Japan predictions are false. Probably you should change the way you make predictions if they went wrong too.



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OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Netyaroze said:
We just have to wait and we will see what happens its all speculation. There is no evidence that you have to be the leader to survive 10years or more. Maybe just Sony Consoles can live 10 years maybe it has nothing to do with the leadership. Maybe 60-70 Million Consoles are enough. We had never a case in the past which was even similar to the case today. We have 3 Consoles and the strongest Console didnt even have half of the market. The weakes competitor has more potential sales power then the leader in the 16 bit gen. We just have to wait and we will see.


BTW: PS3>WII Japan again

Well PS3 reaching 60 million is no sure thing, as its trailing the PSP in sales, and the PSP has been on the market for about five years and still hasn't reached 60 million.

Also part of the problem of not being the market leader that results in why consoles don't survive, is because Consoles that aren't the market leader don't see support after the next gen is released, PS3 sees software support because third parties spread across the 360 and PS3, with multiplats, like Modern Warfare 2, once the next gen starts, the PS3 won't see the support of those games, unless the 360 also survives.

 

I actually metioned that PS3 would likely lead Wii until late november or early december, once NSMB Wii launches, that will change, fast, not to mention, FF13 will sell less than 2 million in Japan, so PS3 won't have as big a Holiday Boost as Wii will have

WOW............. your joking right.......... were would that support go hmmmm PC? Becasue it damn sure aint going to nintendo, nintendo wii is the only game console in HISTORY to be market share leader and have next to no 3rd party support. Last gen, you were a fool to not have your game on ps2, and the same for the ps1, and super nintendo, and nes, but not to put great games on wii...... is perfectly ok. If the 360 was to vanish next gen all that would happen is all the 3rd party support it saw would go to PS, and all its support form its commmunity would go to PS. You can't truly think a real gamer would op for a nintendo console over sony console if nintendo and sony were all to choose from, and they had to choose 1.

It'll go to the next gen consoles, not the PS3, PS4 and 720 likely, but not the PS3

again...... your joking right. by that time the ps3 will be killer in sales and to be honest i highly doubt the next gen playstation will come out before the 10 years are up.... developers are just starting to get a taste to the ps3 tech, and how far they can push it. Sooner or later ps3 will become the lead platform for major multiplatform games (for M$ sake that better not never happen) but i'm pretty sure it will, once the ps3 close the gap and show it's worth to developes they will have to learn the tech and when they do, we will start to see  multiplat titles at the same quality of sony's exclusives .......now (sony's exclusives by that time will be god like) and that will only increase the life time. I think this current generation of consoles (ps360) have put themselvs in a position to go on for a really long time with out needing an upgrade.

the only one that WILL upgrade in the short time to come is nintendo wii....... that is if they wan't to finally be apart of this generation in gaming. but they really don't have to, wii fit and sports are doing just fine, it's up to nintendo if they want to become a game company again

If the next generation Playstation doesn't come out until 2016 I will eat my Wii.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
mario will probably sell more than final fantasy but the ps3 is gonna sell more than wii in december, anyway what with you and the wii? wii this, wii that, how many wii owners are actually gamers? probably not much, most of them are casuals, women, old people etc..

Doubtful that PS3 will sell more, as Wii hisotrically ramps up a lot in the holidays, look at last year for example, and NSMB is coming so it'll help push Wii sales.

I like the Wii, its the only console with games that appeal to me, and goes well with my PC and DS



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
mario will probably sell more than final fantasy but the ps3 is gonna sell more than wii in december, anyway what with you and the wii? wii this, wii that, how many wii owners are actually gamers? probably not much, most of them are casuals, women, old people etc..

that's my main point I don't think this guy is getting, out of my household of 5 there is 1 ps3, used to be 1 360, and 3 wii's, and out of my household of 5 i'm the only gamer, my mom and little sisters could careless. but they love wii fit, wii sports, etc. What makes the wii successful has nothing in common of what made ps2 or ps1 successful, 2 totally different markets. The only reason wii is mentioned in gaming now is the nintendo infront of it.....



hsrob said:
OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
OurGunzNeverTire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Netyaroze said:

If the next generation Playstation doesn't come out until 2016 I will eat my Wii.

I know, seriously, heck I'll eat my Wii and DS and my PC and a hamburger, and I'm vegan so you know that's not happening



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

@ Netyaroze, PS1 is way higher than PS3

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS&reg3=Japan&weeks=156



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)