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iWarMachine said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS2 had the games last gen, it was the generation leader, and led in sales throughout the gen.  But the PS3 and 360 are very close in libraries, so price will make a bigger different there.

 

They'll only be making a profit if they don't price cut, a cut and they are back in the red, MS knows this, so they can cut just to make Sony lose even more money.

 

FF13 is on 360 as well, part of my point, the two consoles have such similar libraries, that price will be a big decider in sales

FF always sell the most in japan where the ps3 has the exclusivity.


  FF13 is expected to sell less than 2 million in Japan according to MC and Famitsu, and I believe VGC as well



 

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psrock said:
@Avinash

Tell me one prediction about the PS3 you've been right about?

Just one?  Ok, after E3 2006 I knew it would be in third place, so there you go



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
@Avinash

Tell me one prediction about the PS3 you've been right about?

Just one?  Ok, after E3 2006 I knew it would be in third place, so there you go

Today is the day I truly believe the PS3 will pass the 360 eventually. It's a FACT.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
iWarMachine said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS2 had the games last gen, it was the generation leader, and led in sales throughout the gen.  But the PS3 and 360 are very close in libraries, so price will make a bigger different there.

 

They'll only be making a profit if they don't price cut, a cut and they are back in the red, MS knows this, so they can cut just to make Sony lose even more money.

 

FF13 is on 360 as well, part of my point, the two consoles have such similar libraries, that price will be a big decider in sales

FF always sell the most in japan where the ps3 has the exclusivity.


  FF13 is expected to sell less than 2 million in Japan according to MC and Famitsu, and I believe VGC as well

not even one FF sold less than 1.5 million, and according to the VGC data, not even one FF sold more in EU or NA than JP.... so i don't think ff13 on 360 will be any bigger...

so the ps3 has the edge in this platform.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ZorroX said:
20M is actually 33% from 60M, not 85%.
2009 - 30M+
2010 - 40M+ and 10M GT5
2011 - 50M+ and 5M GT5
2012 - 60M+ and 2M GT5

I expect GT6 to come only somewhere in 2012.

PS3 at 60 million?

Seriously?

Right now its at 26 million, I think 60 million is out of the realm of possibility

I just want to ask. Why do you think this?

PS3 sales have increased with every year it has been available. Next year is its biggest and best software lineup. Sales are likely to increase AGAIN.

60 million is very possible by the end of its lifetime.

The increasing sales aren't going to continue forever you know, not to mention next year it'll face much harder price competition from the 360, and the fact is many of its big software titles are shared with the 360, its unlikely that it will be able to more than double its console base at this point

Sony will keep it around for 10 years. It's been out for 3. And sales will VERY likely continue to increase next year with Gran Turismo 5... God of War 3... Final Fantasy 13... Agent... Motion Controller... Wii Ports/Steals... Etc. And we dont even know what Sony have planned for Q3/Q4.

The fact is... I have proof of PS3 sales increasing every year. PS3 has some very high quality and high selling potential software. And Sony say they will use the 10 year plan for it. AND they still have the room for a lot more pricecuts...

Id say 60 Million is pretty much guarenteed.


Sony can keep it around for a century, doesn't mean people will buy it, its the consumer that decides how long a product remains on the market, not the company. You have proof of PS3 sales increasing, so what, that's what happens, sales increase, then they peak and then they decline. No hey don't have as much room for price cuts as you think, because they are losing money on the PS3 hardware at the moment. They have already hinted they don't want to price cut next year

Like i said, they want to keep it on the market for 10 years... And selling 250k a week at $300 seems like the public want it too. You still think they will be losing money on a $300 PS3 in late 2010/ early 11? You think they wont be able to afford a $50 pricecut in late 2010/ early 11?

All my time on this site i have seen you underestimate PS3 and make some rather crazy predictions. This time is no different.

250K for a couple of months is nice, but it doesn't say anything about the long term Carl.  Its been selling like this since the price cut, but will it still sell like this next year, remains to be seen.

You really think that MS won't cut more than $50 dollars off 360 by early 2011?

Considering people expected it to be below the 360 again after a month of the pricecut... Anything can happen.

MS probably will, along with Natal launch. But who cares if they do? Will it suddenly stop PS3 from selling? No it wont. What if Sony do a counter drop and lower PS3 to $250? What then?

It's all easy with the ifs and buts. But right now PS3 is doing awesome, and has an amazing game lineup. There is no reason why strong sales cant continue.



                            

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psrock said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
psrock said:
@Avinash

Tell me one prediction about the PS3 you've been right about?

Just one?  Ok, after E3 2006 I knew it would be in third place, so there you go

Today is the day I truly believe the PS3 will pass the 360 eventually. It's a FACT.

Wasn't the difference between them just 30K last week?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

iWarMachine said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
iWarMachine said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS2 had the games last gen, it was the generation leader, and led in sales throughout the gen.  But the PS3 and 360 are very close in libraries, so price will make a bigger different there.

 

They'll only be making a profit if they don't price cut, a cut and they are back in the red, MS knows this, so they can cut just to make Sony lose even more money.

 

FF13 is on 360 as well, part of my point, the two consoles have such similar libraries, that price will be a big decider in sales

FF always sell the most in japan where the ps3 has the exclusivity.


  FF13 is expected to sell less than 2 million in Japan according to MC and Famitsu, and I believe VGC as well

not even one FF sold less than 1.5 million, and according to the VGC data, not even one FF sold more in EU or NA than JP.... so i don't think ff13 on 360 will be any bigger...

so the ps3 has the edge in this platform.

Oh it may sell more than 1.5, but its expected to sell less than 2 million in Japan, and PS3 may have the advantage, due to Japan, but the 360 version will still pull away sales from the PS3



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

@ Avinash

Your sig proves that you make bad predictions. Every prediction is pretty much false or almost impossible to happen.

Wii Fit never will outsell all GTAs combined they will release all the time new GTAs Wii Fit would have to sell massive amounts to catch up to GTA. To Catch GTA there needs to be 50 Million more sales.

Wii wont be anywhere near 80 Mio until years end to reach that it needs to sell 4 Million each week beginning now. Its almost impossible that WII wil outsell PS2 until 12/31/2010. Wii would have to sell every Week in 2010 1.3 Million Consoles thats impossible. Oh wait the Entire Playstaton Family until December 2015. Ok thats 135 Mio PS2 105 Mio PS1 26 Mio PS3 50 Mio PSP around 315 MIO WIIs LTD ? To reach that in 5 years or 260 weeks - around 60-65 Mio Wiis Wii would have to sell for the next five years every week 1 Mio Consoles.

Now you say PS3 will never reach 60 Mio despite the fact that every thing indicates the opposite. Sorry but compared to the 20 Mio GT5s your predictions are atleast 100times more insane. Your predictions are the most craziest predictions I ever heard in my entire life.

to reach 60 Mio until 12/31/2012 PS3 needs 10 Mio sales so even if nothing would change despite pricecuts more games more features it will reach 60 Mio 100%. And there is a chance for GT5 to reach in the next couple of years 20 Mio your predictions are completly impossible to come true.

GT5 has one of the best legs in the videogame world. GT5 prologue sold 6 times better then Gt4 prologue. GT3 was released on a much smaller userbase and still it managed to sell arond 15 Mio. GT4 is the second iteration of GT on the PS and it sells even today and probably will reach 11 Mio the next year(s).

The racing Market had always a lot of games but GT is special it has something no other racing game has. It will sell continously it wont be an explosion like MW2 was but if no other GT will be released on the PS3 then its possible not probable but possible that GT5 will reach 20 Mio. I guess it will sell in the range of GT4. 10-12 Mio. Fact is that the GT Brand seems to be stronger then while GT4 was released the the massive sales difference between the both Prologues indicate this. The attach ratio of 75% is just flawed logic nobody said it will sell it at once thats not the way GT sells.

I dont believe that it will sell 20 Mio but you act like there is no chance in hell that this numbers could be reached despite you are making extremly crazy predictions in your sig. Thats pretty similar to the way like you behaved as I made my prediction why the PS3 will reach 5 Mio before the Wii reaches 10.

I know the PS3 will beat the WII this year in Japan but I am atleast 100times more sure that PS3 will reach 60 Mio until 12/31/2012.



Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ZorroX said:
20M is actually 33% from 60M, not 85%.
2009 - 30M+
2010 - 40M+ and 10M GT5
2011 - 50M+ and 5M GT5
2012 - 60M+ and 2M GT5

I expect GT6 to come only somewhere in 2012.

PS3 at 60 million?

Seriously?

Right now its at 26 million, I think 60 million is out of the realm of possibility

I just want to ask. Why do you think this?

PS3 sales have increased with every year it has been available. Next year is its biggest and best software lineup. Sales are likely to increase AGAIN.

60 million is very possible by the end of its lifetime.

The increasing sales aren't going to continue forever you know, not to mention next year it'll face much harder price competition from the 360, and the fact is many of its big software titles are shared with the 360, its unlikely that it will be able to more than double its console base at this point

Sony will keep it around for 10 years. It's been out for 3. And sales will VERY likely continue to increase next year with Gran Turismo 5... God of War 3... Final Fantasy 13... Agent... Motion Controller... Wii Ports/Steals... Etc. And we dont even know what Sony have planned for Q3/Q4.

The fact is... I have proof of PS3 sales increasing every year. PS3 has some very high quality and high selling potential software. And Sony say they will use the 10 year plan for it. AND they still have the room for a lot more pricecuts...

Id say 60 Million is pretty much guarenteed.


Sony can keep it around for a century, doesn't mean people will buy it, its the consumer that decides how long a product remains on the market, not the company. You have proof of PS3 sales increasing, so what, that's what happens, sales increase, then they peak and then they decline. No hey don't have as much room for price cuts as you think, because they are losing money on the PS3 hardware at the moment. They have already hinted they don't want to price cut next year

Like i said, they want to keep it on the market for 10 years... And selling 250k a week at $300 seems like the public want it too. You still think they will be losing money on a $300 PS3 in late 2010/ early 11? You think they wont be able to afford a $50 pricecut in late 2010/ early 11?

All my time on this site i have seen you underestimate PS3 and make some rather crazy predictions. This time is no different.

250K for a couple of months is nice, but it doesn't say anything about the long term Carl.  Its been selling like this since the price cut, but will it still sell like this next year, remains to be seen.

You really think that MS won't cut more than $50 dollars off 360 by early 2011?

Considering people expected it to be below the 360 again after a month of the pricecut... Anything can happen.

MS probably will, along with Natal launch. But who cares if they do? Will it suddenly stop PS3 from selling? No it wont. What if Sony do a counter drop and lower PS3 to $250? What then?

It's all easy with the ifs and buts. But right now PS3 is doing awesome, and has an amazing game lineup. There is no reason why strong sales cant continue.

Actually MS will probably cut in the spring and then again with NATAL, the recent specials on the 360 are MS seeing how well a price cut will be recieved.

Actually likely increases in 360 sales will probably cut into PS3 sales, the two are in a red ocean, so expansion of the 360 pie would likely contract the PS3 pie.

 

Sure PS3 is selling well, awesome is an overstatement, Wii last year was awesome, PS3 is doing nicely, but there is also no reason to expect the sales to continue for the next two and a half years just based on current sales, because the current climate isn't going to remain in place for that long



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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