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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Akvod said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
So angrypoolman, what are your thoughts on prog rock? Have you been to the Court of the Crimson King yet?

XD Great episode. Too bad its like Lucky Star and I'm too young to get some/most of the references.

Hey I'm only 26.  I'm definitely too young for half those references.  I guess I'm just an old dude in a young dude's body.  That album came out in 1969, and it's still a timeless mind-expanding journey to the depths of your soul.

Normally the show is comedy, but there wasn't a single joke in that clip.  They were telling the truth about this album.

If you want to jump right into being a mad scientist... here's the original studio version of "21st Century Schizoid Man"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm3SAtzQl5M

If you're not ready to handle the magic with guitars, drums, and horns... you could always dip your toe in the water by seeing it performed by Japanese babes with violins... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWS3ofzuiMU

And the epic title track... "The Court of the Crimson King" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpr0qoDI-cI&feature=fvw

I swear, if you listen to this album enough you could explode the moon with your mind alone.


I... I... I'll listen to it after I make my flash cards, take a shower, and while I'm studying for Japanese!!!

*straightens back and salutes*



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Akvod said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Akvod said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
So angrypoolman, what are your thoughts on prog rock? Have you been to the Court of the Crimson King yet?

XD Great episode. Too bad its like Lucky Star and I'm too young to get some/most of the references.

Hey I'm only 26.  I'm definitely too young for half those references.  I guess I'm just an old dude in a young dude's body.  That album came out in 1969, and it's still a timeless mind-expanding journey to the depths of your soul.

Normally the show is comedy, but there wasn't a single joke in that clip.  They were telling the truth about this album.

If you want to jump right into being a mad scientist... here's the original studio version of "21st Century Schizoid Man"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm3SAtzQl5M

If you're not ready to handle the magic with guitars, drums, and horns... you could always dip your toe in the water by seeing it performed by Japanese babes with violins... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWS3ofzuiMU

And the epic title track... "The Court of the Crimson King" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpr0qoDI-cI&feature=fvw

I swear, if you listen to this album enough you could explode the moon with your mind alone.


I... I... I'll listen to it after I make my flash cards, take a shower, and while I'm studying for Japanese!!!

*straightens back and salutes*

Listened to the first one. I dunno, I like ambient, I like weird shit so I wasn't bothered by the music. Its just that it felt like BGM... in fact all music is BGM to me, that's why I love sound tracks.

Not meaning to offend you O.o I think it might be because I'm listening and studying at the same time. Listening to the violin one, and its nice too.

IDK, its just that I hate looking at music like its a story of its own. To me, music is something that sets a mood... or symbolizes some raw emotion.



Ooo!!! I like the last track.



Taking a break, and the first track is actually awesome how it begins. IDK, I don't get any message still, but I just feel like leaning back and relaxing.



angrypoolman said:
physics and chemistry are the only sciences that you can trust 100% (or at least pretty close to 100)

The only thing you can trust 100% is mathematics; every science is based around theories, but that's all they really are, theories. All these theories are derived from induction, so they aren't certain. (look up the problem of induction)



           

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famousringo said:
I just came in here to yell SCIEEEEEENCE! in a cracking, unsteady voice.

In response to the OP, I've also heard that gene therapy has promise as an HIV cure. Apparently a chap who was HIV positive needed a bone marrow transplant for some reason or another, and after the transplant the patient's HIV was wiped out. You see, the donor was genetic freak whose super powers granted immunity to HIV, and the blood from his/her marrow eradicated the virus.

Google turns up this story on human trials for the treatment starting up:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/02/hivtreatment/

Ive actually read about this story, and if it hadnt happened about 2 years ago i might of put it up originally, but since u mentioned it i thought i should  put da article up. Actually the guy was in major trouble; he was basically a dead guy walking. He had a very advanced form of cancer and HIV at the same time. So scientists said what da heck, Wold you like to attempt this transplant that might get rid of your cancer at least. Patient said ok, so they gave him the transsplant, and low and behold they discover that they also managed to get rid of his HIV. The transplant is very dangerous though apparently, and because of this they do not want to use this for other people. They are using this discovery to attempt to cure HIV with gene therapy.

Heres the article that mmight explain more in depth than me and change anything i may have said wrong:

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-11/cure-aids



                 


 

angrypoolman said:
^first i want to start off by saying i havent studied everything there is to study in physics. i took two years of physics in highschool (one year was an advanced placement class, so it is supposed to be the equivalent of college physics). so as you could imagine, it was pretty basic stuff. everything i learned in those classes stemmed from principles that were proven in mathematics. so as far as i studied it, yes, i do trust all the physics i learned 100%.

you say i rejected hubbles law, but the truth is, i don't know a whole lot about it. i know what it is, but the actual mathematics behind it i have never studied, so there isnt much i can say about it. i am just skeptical towards the whole big bang theory. not to say that i reject all of this supposed 'evidence' for it, i just think there is a possibility that you could get the wrong conclusion from the data you have. the physics and chemistry i trust is the math. everything beyond that is just an educated guess.

i am finding a common trend in these 'arguments' we get in though. i question a lot of things. i can see how it comes off as im just being contrary, or ignorant, but really, i am just entertaining an idea that isnt generally accepted by the public. so basically, i dont want to say i 'rejected' those laws, because the truth is, i dont know enough about them to even do that.

also, i have no idea wtf cosmic microwave background radiation is.

What I don't understand is why people are so reluctant to accept the big bang theory. The big bang is not particularly difficult to apprehend and comprehend. The universe had to start somewhere and somehow. The evidence for the origin of the universe is fairly abundant, and it points to the notion that it was all once a singularity. I'm going to try this in an extremely simplified way...

...

Hubble's law was an observational basis for the metric expansion of space. When the redshift of astronomical objects are measured it shows that everything in the Universe is moving away, that the universe is expanding. The universe is uniformly expanding everywhere. If the Universe is uniformly expanding, then if you work back logically there has to be a point where it was tiny, a point where it was a singularity... A point where it began.

...

This leads into a second piece of observational evidence I wish to give. Galactic evolution and distribution. Light takes a long time to reach us from other galaxies, it only moves a 300,000Km/s. So whenever you look up into the night sky you are seeing stars as they were thousands, if not millions, of years ago. When we observe galaxies that are billions of light years away we see something strange, they are quite primitive. When we observe a galaxy billions of light years away, they look far less developed than ours. The further we look back in time, the less developed they are. This shows that galaxy's are evolving, and we can observe the rate at which they evolve. this too shows the Universe had an origin.

This image demonstrates the evolution that I'm talking about...

 

...

Now onto the point you asked about, Cosmic microwave background radiation or CMBR. When the Big bang occurred at the beginning of time, photons were created and absorbed en masse. However, when some time passed the universe stopped producing and destroying these photons. These photons can now be observed as electromagnetic radiation, more specifically the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum. We have observed this leftover microwave radiation that was caused by the big bang. When you detune your TV and see the static, 1% of what you are seeing is the leftover microwave radiation from the big bang.

This is an extremely simplified explanation however.

 

I hope this has helped you understand the big bang little better

...

As for you questioning science and seeming like being ignorant. It's not the questioning the science that makes you seem ignorant or entertaining an idea that isn't accpeted, quite frankly that is welcomed, it is almost the definition of science to be honest. Anyone who questions science in a proper and respectful way is a friend of mine. However, last time I explained CMBR to you you replied with "THAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111my god, you really have done it this time, highway star. you almost made me shit myself after this post!". But seeing as you admitted you didn't know about CMBR just, I'm assuming that you didn't read my explanation a few weeks ago at all, and just skipped it and proceeded to take the piss out of me... That's why people think you are ignorant.

The Universe had to begin somewhere and the evidence suggests that the big bang was the most likely origin. If you want to suggest alternate theories that also incorporates or debunk the evidence found, fine, please do so. But don't just take the piss, that is not questioning, it is trolling.

 

 



highwaystar101 said:
angrypoolman said:
^first i want to start off by saying i havent studied everything there is to study in physics. i took two years of physics in highschool (one year was an advanced placement class, so it is supposed to be the equivalent of college physics). so as you could imagine, it was pretty basic stuff. everything i learned in those classes stemmed from principles that were proven in mathematics. so as far as i studied it, yes, i do trust all the physics i learned 100%.

you say i rejected hubbles law, but the truth is, i don't know a whole lot about it. i know what it is, but the actual mathematics behind it i have never studied, so there isnt much i can say about it. i am just skeptical towards the whole big bang theory. not to say that i reject all of this supposed 'evidence' for it, i just think there is a possibility that you could get the wrong conclusion from the data you have. the physics and chemistry i trust is the math. everything beyond that is just an educated guess.

i am finding a common trend in these 'arguments' we get in though. i question a lot of things. i can see how it comes off as im just being contrary, or ignorant, but really, i am just entertaining an idea that isnt generally accepted by the public. so basically, i dont want to say i 'rejected' those laws, because the truth is, i dont know enough about them to even do that.

also, i have no idea wtf cosmic microwave background radiation is.

What I don't understand is why people are so reluctant to accept the big bang theory. The big bang is not particularly difficult to apprehend and comprehend. The universe had to start somewhere and somehow. The evidence for the origin of the universe is fairly abundant, and it points to the notion that it was all once a singularity. I'm going to try this in an extremely simplified way...

...

Hubble's law was an observational basis for the metric expansion of space. When the redshift of astronomical objects are measured it shows that everything in the Universe is moving away, that the universe is expanding. The universe is uniformly expanding everywhere. If the Universe is uniformly expanding, then if you work back logically there has to be, a point where it was tiny, a point where it was a singularity... A point where it began.

...

This leads into a second piece of observational evidence I wish to give. Galactic evolution and distribution. Light takes a long time to reach us from other galaxies, it only moves a 300,000Km/s. So whenever you look up into the night sky you are seeing stars as they were thousands, if not millions, of years ago. When we observe galaxies that are billions of light years away we see something strange, they are quite primitive. When we observe a galaxy billions of light years away, they look far less developed than ours. The further we look back in time, the less developed they are. This shows that galaxy's are evolving, and we can observe the rate at which they evolve. this too shows the Universe had an origin.

This image demonstrates the evolution that I'm talking about...

 

...

Now onto the point you asked about, Cosmic microwave background radiation or CMBR. When the Big bang occurred at the beginning of time, photons were created and absorbed en masse. However, when some time passed the universe stopped producing and destroying these photons. These photons can now be observed as electromagnetic radiation, more specifically the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum. We have observed this leftover microwave radiation that was caused by the big bang. When you detune your TV and see the static, 1% of what you are seeing is the leftover microwave radiation form the big bang.

This is an extremely simplified explanation however.

 

I hope this has helped you understand the big bang little better

...

As for you questioning science and seeming like being ignorant. It's not the questioning the science that makes you seem ignorant or entertaining an idea that isn't accpeted, quite frankly that is welcomed it is almost the definition of science to be honest. Anyone who questions science in a proper and respectful way is a friend of mine. However, last time I explained CMBR to you you replied with "THAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111my god, you really have done it this time, highway star. you almost made me shit myself after this post!". But seeing as you admitted you didn't know about CMBR just, so I'm assuming that you didn't read my explanation a few weeks ago at all, and just skipped it and proceeded to take the piss out of me... That's why people think you are ignorant.

The Universe had to begin somewhere and the evidence suggests that the big bang was the most likely origin. If you want to suggest alternate theories that also incorporates or debunk the evidence found, fine, please do so. But don't just take the piss, that is not questioning, it is trolling.

 

 

hey, thanks for the explanation. i barely skimmed over it, because i have no time right now, but im gonna read it as soon as i get back from work.

also, i knew it was going to be a troll post, i just knew it. i didnt look back to the post i made that you were referencing, but i thought it had a pretty high chance of being a troll post. i was definately trolling, and i said it to push your buttons and make you respond. sorry about that, i was probably drunk or stoned or something.



i used to be all about biology, but now im doing a chemistry-based degree and the physical chemistry side of it confuses me just a bit..

huzzah for this thread, though! yaaaay :D video games and science, my two favourite things, united in one place! i am a happy haggis tonight ^____^



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
trashleg said:
i used to be all about biology, but now im doing a chemistry-based degree and the physical chemistry side of it confuses me just a bit..

huzzah for this thread, though! yaaaay :D video games and science, my two favourite things, united in one place! i am a happy haggis tonight ^____^

The physical side of chemistry is the only bit of chemistry I enjoyed at A level :/ 

Physics and Maths for the win.