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themanwithnoname on 12 November 2009
Kantor said:
Modern Warfare has surpassed Halo as a franchise.

Did even Halo 3 have as much hype as MW2? No, it didn't. Did companies delay their games to 2008 in fear of Halo 3? No. Modern Warfare is, quite simply, the largest franchise currently in existence on the HD consoles, and it isn't going to be passed again this gen.

The "increased userbase" argument is illogical. What does userbase have to do with anything? How many people who didn't buy Halo 3 will buy Halo: Reach? Resistance: Fall of Man launched on a userbase of...what, 200,000? It went on to sell 3.5 million. Resistance 2 won't get near that, after launching on a 17.5 million userbase.

Going back to the Halo franchise, let's look at recent Halo game openings:

Halo Wars (hear me out): 609,000
Halo ODST (again, hear me out): 2.2 million

Both quite a way from MW2's 5.5 million. Yes, yes, an RTS and an "expansion". Of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels. But, they are both iterations in the Halo franchise, and if they aren't selling, is the Halo fanbase decreasing? What I'm saying is that all of these spin-offs could be decreasing the popularity of the franchise. I wouldn't hesitate to call it milking, actually. Milking does not help a franchise, it runs it into the ground. Look at Guitar Hero, or Tony Hawk. Granted, those two had it a lot worse than Halo. But it was milking all the same.

So, I think it will sell around 3 million first week. Excellent sales, of course. Fantastic. More than most games can hope to sell in their entire lifetime. But, below Halo 3. And WELL below MW2.

Hmm where should I start?

First of all, Modern Warfare is not a franchise. Call of Duty is a franchise of which Modern Warfare is a part. Also, wasn't Resistance bundled? If so, that arguement is moot. I'm sorry but how are either ODST or Halo Wars' opening weeks considered "not selling?" Nevermind, that that isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Of course, I'd figure someone who isn't a Halo fan would naturally call it milking, though it's funny how Mario and Final Fantasy seem to dodge that label entirely. Sorry, I just don't see how you can argue when Halo 3 sold 3.8 million in two days on a userbase of about 11 million, that you don't expect Reach to do more when the userbase is going to be over 40 million. Your arguement is the one that's illogical. You might as well have stopped your argument at "of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels." Because you contradict yourself after that.



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heruamon on 12 November 2009
themanwithnoname said:
Kantor said:
Modern Warfare has surpassed Halo as a franchise.

Did even Halo 3 have as much hype as MW2? No, it didn't. Did companies delay their games to 2008 in fear of Halo 3? No. Modern Warfare is, quite simply, the largest franchise currently in existence on the HD consoles, and it isn't going to be passed again this gen.

The "increased userbase" argument is illogical. What does userbase have to do with anything? How many people who didn't buy Halo 3 will buy Halo: Reach? Resistance: Fall of Man launched on a userbase of...what, 200,000? It went on to sell 3.5 million. Resistance 2 won't get near that, after launching on a 17.5 million userbase.

Going back to the Halo franchise, let's look at recent Halo game openings:

Halo Wars (hear me out): 609,000
Halo ODST (again, hear me out): 2.2 million

Both quite a way from MW2's 5.5 million. Yes, yes, an RTS and an "expansion". Of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels. But, they are both iterations in the Halo franchise, and if they aren't selling, is the Halo fanbase decreasing? What I'm saying is that all of these spin-offs could be decreasing the popularity of the franchise. I wouldn't hesitate to call it milking, actually. Milking does not help a franchise, it runs it into the ground. Look at Guitar Hero, or Tony Hawk. Granted, those two had it a lot worse than Halo. But it was milking all the same.

So, I think it will sell around 3 million first week. Excellent sales, of course. Fantastic. More than most games can hope to sell in their entire lifetime. But, below Halo 3. And WELL below MW2.

Hmm where should I start?

First of all, Modern Warfare is not a franchise. Call of Duty is a franchise of which Modern Warfare is a part. Also, wasn't Resistance bundled? If so, that arguement is moot. I'm sorry but how are either ODST or Halo Wars' opening weeks considered "not selling?" Nevermind, that that isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Of course, I'd figure someone who isn't a Halo fan would naturally call it milking, though it's funny how Mario and Final Fantasy seem to dodge that label entirely. Sorry, I just don't see how you can argue when Halo 3 sold 3.8 million in two days on a userbase of about 11 million, that you don't expect Reach to do more when the userbase is going to be over 40 million. Your arguement is the one that's illogical. You might as well have stopped your argument at "of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels." Because you contradict yourself after that.

You could have begun his his low estimates for  MW2 to begin with...lol.



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elticker on 13 November 2009

i think halo reach is gonna completly destroy mw2 sales if compared on a weekly or first day. it sold 4.7 mil day one on ps3 and 360 (i dont kow if they are counting pc sales with that). 360 selling 2-1. so that means the 360 version has sold 3 million sales on day one for xbox 360, halo 3 sold 3.8 million on week one and with all the new people loving and ready to buy future halo titles it will do it and ps also the banhammers since i expect a huge banhammer before reach release.



 

 

Kantor on 13 November 2009
themanwithnoname said:
Kantor said:
Modern Warfare has surpassed Halo as a franchise.

Did even Halo 3 have as much hype as MW2? No, it didn't. Did companies delay their games to 2008 in fear of Halo 3? No. Modern Warfare is, quite simply, the largest franchise currently in existence on the HD consoles, and it isn't going to be passed again this gen.

The "increased userbase" argument is illogical. What does userbase have to do with anything? How many people who didn't buy Halo 3 will buy Halo: Reach? Resistance: Fall of Man launched on a userbase of...what, 200,000? It went on to sell 3.5 million. Resistance 2 won't get near that, after launching on a 17.5 million userbase.

Going back to the Halo franchise, let's look at recent Halo game openings:

Halo Wars (hear me out): 609,000
Halo ODST (again, hear me out): 2.2 million

Both quite a way from MW2's 5.5 million. Yes, yes, an RTS and an "expansion". Of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels. But, they are both iterations in the Halo franchise, and if they aren't selling, is the Halo fanbase decreasing? What I'm saying is that all of these spin-offs could be decreasing the popularity of the franchise. I wouldn't hesitate to call it milking, actually. Milking does not help a franchise, it runs it into the ground. Look at Guitar Hero, or Tony Hawk. Granted, those two had it a lot worse than Halo. But it was milking all the same.

So, I think it will sell around 3 million first week. Excellent sales, of course. Fantastic. More than most games can hope to sell in their entire lifetime. But, below Halo 3. And WELL below MW2.

Hmm where should I start?

First of all, Modern Warfare is not a franchise. Call of Duty is a franchise of which Modern Warfare is a part. Also, wasn't Resistance bundled? If so, that arguement is moot. I'm sorry but how are either ODST or Halo Wars' opening weeks considered "not selling?" Nevermind, that that isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Of course, I'd figure someone who isn't a Halo fan would naturally call it milking, though it's funny how Mario and Final Fantasy seem to dodge that label entirely. Sorry, I just don't see how you can argue when Halo 3 sold 3.8 million in two days on a userbase of about 11 million, that you don't expect Reach to do more when the userbase is going to be over 40 million. Your arguement is the one that's illogical. You might as well have stopped your argument at "of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels." Because you contradict yourself after that.

1) It would be inaccurate to call CoD a large franchise, because it's not. It's like saying Mario Kart is a large franchise as opposed to Mario.

2) Resistance was bundled, yes. I doubt, however, that there were 1.5 million bundles sold.

3) Not selling on Halo levels, I did quite clearly say that.

4) When did I say Mario and Final Fantasy aren't milked? They're milked far worse than Halo. Singstar and GH are worse still.

5) USERBASE DOES NOT MATTER. Seriously. How did MGS4 on PS3 userbase outsell MGS3 on PS2 userbase? Why won't SMG outsell SM64?



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themanwithnoname on 13 November 2009
Kantor said:
themanwithnoname said:
Kantor said:
Modern Warfare has surpassed Halo as a franchise.

Did even Halo 3 have as much hype as MW2? No, it didn't. Did companies delay their games to 2008 in fear of Halo 3? No. Modern Warfare is, quite simply, the largest franchise currently in existence on the HD consoles, and it isn't going to be passed again this gen.

The "increased userbase" argument is illogical. What does userbase have to do with anything? How many people who didn't buy Halo 3 will buy Halo: Reach? Resistance: Fall of Man launched on a userbase of...what, 200,000? It went on to sell 3.5 million. Resistance 2 won't get near that, after launching on a 17.5 million userbase.

Going back to the Halo franchise, let's look at recent Halo game openings:

Halo Wars (hear me out): 609,000
Halo ODST (again, hear me out): 2.2 million

Both quite a way from MW2's 5.5 million. Yes, yes, an RTS and an "expansion". Of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels. But, they are both iterations in the Halo franchise, and if they aren't selling, is the Halo fanbase decreasing? What I'm saying is that all of these spin-offs could be decreasing the popularity of the franchise. I wouldn't hesitate to call it milking, actually. Milking does not help a franchise, it runs it into the ground. Look at Guitar Hero, or Tony Hawk. Granted, those two had it a lot worse than Halo. But it was milking all the same.

So, I think it will sell around 3 million first week. Excellent sales, of course. Fantastic. More than most games can hope to sell in their entire lifetime. But, below Halo 3. And WELL below MW2.

Hmm where should I start?

First of all, Modern Warfare is not a franchise. Call of Duty is a franchise of which Modern Warfare is a part. Also, wasn't Resistance bundled? If so, that arguement is moot. I'm sorry but how are either ODST or Halo Wars' opening weeks considered "not selling?" Nevermind, that that isn't an apples to oranges comparison at all. Of course, I'd figure someone who isn't a Halo fan would naturally call it milking, though it's funny how Mario and Final Fantasy seem to dodge that label entirely. Sorry, I just don't see how you can argue when Halo 3 sold 3.8 million in two days on a userbase of about 11 million, that you don't expect Reach to do more when the userbase is going to be over 40 million. Your arguement is the one that's illogical. You might as well have stopped your argument at "of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels." Because you contradict yourself after that.

1) It would be inaccurate to call CoD a large franchise, because it's not. It's like saying Mario Kart is a large franchise as opposed to Mario.

2) Resistance was bundled, yes. I doubt, however, that there were 1.5 million bundles sold.

3) Not selling on Halo levels, I did quite clearly say that.

4) When did I say Mario and Final Fantasy aren't milked? They're milked far worse than Halo. Singstar and GH are worse still.

5) USERBASE DOES NOT MATTER. Seriously. How did MGS4 on PS3 userbase outsell MGS3 on PS2 userbase? Why won't SMG outsell SM64?

1. Call of Duty is the franchise, whether you want it to be or not. Mario Kart is a spinoff. Modern Warfare is not. Go look up the word "franchise" in the dictionary. If we went by your rules, the Star Wars prequels wouldn't be attached to the Star Wars franchise just because they take place in a different time period. I don't know what you're smoking if you don't think Call of Duty is a franchise.

3. No you didn't, you said "Of course they're not going to sell on Halo 3 levels. But, they are both iterations in the Halo franchise, and if they aren't selling, is the Halo fanbase decreasing?" So you effectively ended your own point by saying "Of course they're not going to see on Halo 3 levels." So yeah, whatever you said after that was made moot right there.

5. Userbase does matter. You keep listing exceptions to the rule, that doesn't make it true 100% of the time, common sense would tell you that. It's one of the reasons just about all of Microsoft's franchises are selling better now than they were last gen.

Using caps lock doesn't make your argument stronger. Come back when you can have a discussion without getting angry.

 



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deathgod33 on 13 November 2009
Chairman-Mao said:
MW2 > Reach


i think we can now accept that MW2 is bigger than Halo 3 (even if we are talking about 360 alone)



 

 

 

 

Cueil on 13 November 2009
coolbeans said:
I really doubt Halo: Reach can outsell MW2's first week (360) since it's not a true sequel.


no... it's a true prequel... I think single console sales it'll beat MW2 and if it brings the game up to a new level it'll come close to taking on the combined numbers...



 
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brendin24 on 13 November 2009

If market properly, and a lot, I think it will become the 360 biggest seller.



huaxiong90 on 13 November 2009
Squilliam said:
If Halo: Reach can be the definitive experience which brings in new players and retains the old Halo 3 userbase of people who currently and used to play that game then yes, it can be bigger than Call of Duty MW2 for the single console.

It will be difficult, how can they change the winning formula whilst still keeping the old fans happy and bring in new fans at the same time?

 



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Notorius.A.i.G on 13 November 2009

We gotta wait. Halo : Reach will have a huge marketing push. But damn, MW2 did 5.5 first week on the 360 alone. Thats just beast.



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