The large majority of PC gamers are pirates, especially guys that play shooters, so it's pretty safe to say that the majority of those who signed the petition are pirates.

They're also PC focused developers. There are plenty of console-focussed developers making great games and reaping great profits. The difference is a lot of quality PC developers lose their shirts from pirates, and then shift focus to consoles. You're whole argument is that console gamers will apparently buy anything. But you fail to see it's not because PC gamers have greater discretion, it's because they're far less likely to pay for a product they use. In our previous thread, we saw that Assassin's Creed had nearly 20x the pirated copied floating out there (ONLY counting bittorrent, not including any other means of pirating) than actual sales. You claimed it was because the game was terrible. But that means PC gamers are still willing to play terrible games, just not pay for them.

Sure companies like blizzard or valve that make the BEST of the BEST can succeed financially. But they make super-high quality games that sell for the same price as lousy games. They succeed due to their reputation for quality that ends in sales volume. Guess how often that business model works? Most developers can't decide to spend 6 years making a perfect game like Blizzard. Or let a AAA franchise sit for 10 years between sequels. Meanwhile, rememger Origin? Remember the massive time/budget they put into the Wing Commander games? Great games, good sales... but they stopped making back their budgets, and they're now dead. That is a story that has happened many times over... and piracy is at least partially (if not entirely) to blame. Yes, blizzard will make games and print money, and yet at the same time they will lose money from pirates. Meanwhile, developers who aren't blizzard and Valve will go bankrupt, because their good game is being enjoyed by 3 or 4x the people who actually pay for it.

Dude, you're the last guy on earth to believe this.

None of the numbers released by Activision validate this, they all validate sells in the 1-3 millions range units...( retail AND digital, when you speak of revenue it's all the same for Activision in the end).

Yep Valve PC business works so well than for the first time they decided to release their last 2 games simultaneously on consoles and PC....

That's what I'm saying too. PC gamers have really high standards, obviosuly most people can't meet them except for a few. So what would you in their situation? Find an audience that is liek sheep and doesn't mind getting shafted over and over and over! Enter the console players.

Also stop with Assassin's Creed, that game was a repetative joke of a game. In the previous thread we also saw that none of Valve's or Blizzard's game even came in the top 10.

I also don't see how piracy affected Origin considering back then piracy was nowhere near as spread as it is now. Those were the 56k days and their games came on 5 discs, so no, piracy did NOT put them out of business. It hasn't put ANYONE out of business, it's just a scapegoat shitty developers use to justify their shitty games. Then they take their shitty games and make millions off console players.

The PC version of Orange Box outsold the 2 consoles it was released on, combined.  And not by a small margin. 

JFYI

But did Left4Dead ?

and will Left4Dead2 ?

Different scale, by a long shot. If I want a pirated PC game, all I need is a half decent internet connection and the ability to use google. Excluding PSP, the other systems you mentioned generally have fairly low piracy rates. Nothing to touch the PC's, at any rate.

hello ?

You can download demigod digitally from the stardock site, from ANYWHERE in the world.........( and you can do this since the release day, gamestop most likely broke the street release date to protest this).