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Kasz216 on 10 November 2009
emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?

lol, going by your logic, we shouldn't hold the catholic church guilty for all their crimes, caus that they say that the are catholics and belive in certain things, doesn't mean they'll do it, get your shit straight.

 

as it being said before in this thread, south america is fucked up cause of catholism, so the iraq war is waiged by a mainly protestan nation, so there you go, logic first. i don't like catholism, but i like less how people blame all of christianitys problems on it and tend to make protestan saints.

So.... Atheism responsible for communist and Nazi deaths then?

Catholics are responsible for stuff the Church does... because it's there church.

Unless the official Church approves something or does it themselves, to blame something on religion because some of the people who did it were of a certain religion is batshit insane.

Atheism is not a religion, its a denomination. if you refer to the latter part that started with "lol" i said i was going by his logic(and the overral used by people in this thread) not mine

O....K.  Regardless.

Based on your logic. 

If I create a group,  That you need to be an atheist to join... and set off a nuke in the middle of vatican city... does that become "A crime of Atheism."

Or for that matter.  A group where the only requirement is to be black.  Is every crime the group comits "A crime of black people."

 



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The_vagabond7 on 10 November 2009

I don't really understand how "atheism" can be blamed for anything hitler or nazis, or anyone did. It's a grossly invalid argument because it isn't a motivating factor so much as it is just an aspect of who they are. Stalin and hitler both had mustaches too, did that motivate them or was it just something about them? Religion can actually be used to motivate people to do bad things even if it is "erroneous" use of the teachings (which is debatable).

Good video about it.



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emilie autumn on 10 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe the fact is that the Germans that were supposedly 'Protestant' didn't actually hold to their tenants? Just because someone claims something doesn't mean that they adhere to the religion by letter. As Kasz states (accurately), then we'd have to start holding Atheists responsible for all deaths due to Eugenics and Communism.

Also, I am unsure how 'Protestant America' killed MLKJ. Martin Luther King Junior was a Baptist clergyman. His supposed murderer James Earl Rey was not Protestant. Furthermore, I am unsure which Christian denominations were involved in promoting the Iraq war. Could you please cite which ones did this?

lol, going by your logic, we shouldn't hold the catholic church guilty for all their crimes, caus that they say that the are catholics and belive in certain things, doesn't mean they'll do it, get your shit straight.

 

as it being said before in this thread, south america is fucked up cause of catholism, so the iraq war is waiged by a mainly protestan nation, so there you go, logic first. i don't like catholism, but i like less how people blame all of christianitys problems on it and tend to make protestan saints.

So.... Atheism responsible for communist and Nazi deaths then?

Catholics are responsible for stuff the Church does... because it's there church.

Unless the official Church approves something or does it themselves, to blame something on religion because some of the people who did it were of a certain religion is batshit insane.

Atheism is not a religion, its a denomination. if you refer to the latter part that started with "lol" i said i was going by his logic(and the overral used by people in this thread) not mine

O....K.  Regardless.

Based on your logic.

If I create a group,  That you need to be an atheist to join... and set off a nuke in the middle of vatican city... does that become "A crime of Atheism."

Or for that matter.  A group where the only requirement is to be black.  Is every crime the group comits "A crime of black people."

 

perhaps i'm not wording myself right, i'm saying people prefer to look at the splinter on catholisms face, than to look at the trunk at theirs. in my logic, so if we go by what is said, i don't find it logical that people call cathlism something bad, where protestanism or rather protestants or people who carry the protestant banner, have commited terrible crimes to. the only reason i'm arguing that its religions fault is because people are aguing its catholisms fault, so i want them to see that i can too make arguments regarding protestanisms and are well supported. otherwise, peoples religion in moder times only means we they are going to be on sunday morning.



 

pastro243 on 10 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
pastro243 said:
mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.


That argument is retarded, religion doesnt have to do with the wealthness of a country, hell, europe was catholic.

All religions have crazy assholes and I dont think protestants are free of them, after all we saw some sick exorcism to a gay boy a few weeks ago, living in a country which is mostly catholic I havent heard any of that here on the news from catholic institutions.

Also, even if Im agnostic, catholic church has helped in many things and leads in some things as education in my country, they also have a strong institution which I think its the cause it gets so much hate, besides those things like not supporting gay people, but this is a thing most religions do too.

Also, maybe living in a country where the mayority is catholic leads people to be more open minded just for the sake of being normal, but Ive haerd catholics in USA are a bit extreme, but hell, everyday we get crazy news from the USA and their religios people.

Yeah,  Catholic Church does a lot of good in South America... you gotta wonder if it balances out though... since some of their other stances tend to hurt africa.


I dont support the catholic church, it just makes me laugh that protestants think they are somewhat better when they have things like exorcisms to gay boys. Religion have always caused bad things based on irrational stuff, its just that cathlic church is older and more powerful.

Other thing, my main reaction was because of the ridiculous post mrstickball made with catholicism and poverty.



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Kasz216 on 10 November 2009
pastro243 said:
Kasz216 said:
pastro243 said:
mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.


That argument is retarded, religion doesnt have to do with the wealthness of a country, hell, europe was catholic.

All religions have crazy assholes and I dont think protestants are free of them, after all we saw some sick exorcism to a gay boy a few weeks ago, living in a country which is mostly catholic I havent heard any of that here on the news from catholic institutions.

Also, even if Im agnostic, catholic church has helped in many things and leads in some things as education in my country, they also have a strong institution which I think its the cause it gets so much hate, besides those things like not supporting gay people, but this is a thing most religions do too.

Also, maybe living in a country where the mayority is catholic leads people to be more open minded just for the sake of being normal, but Ive haerd catholics in USA are a bit extreme, but hell, everyday we get crazy news from the USA and their religios people.

Yeah,  Catholic Church does a lot of good in South America... you gotta wonder if it balances out though... since some of their other stances tend to hurt africa.


I dont support the catholic church, it just makes me laugh that protestants think they are somewhat better when they have things like exorcisms to gay boys. Religion have always caused bad things based on irrational stuff, its just that cathlic church is older and more powerful.

Other thing, my main reaction was because of the ridiculous post mrstickball made with catholicism and poverty.

Evangelism is a bit different.

Since Protestants aren't really one religion like catholics you kinda have to go denomination by denomination with them.



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highwaystar101 on 10 November 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I don't really understand how "atheism" can be blamed for anything hitler or nazis, or anyone did. It's a grossly invalid argument because it isn't a motivating factor so much as it is just an aspect of who they are. Stalin and hitler both had mustaches too, did that motivate them or was it just something about them? Religion can actually be used to motivate people to do bad things even if it is "erroneous" use of the teachings (which is debatable).

Good video about it.

That video was so true. Sometimes with the anti-atheist debate that is often how it goes. A lot of people say that the major genocides of the 20th century were caused by atheism, when atheism was in fact not a factor at all. People have a poor opinion of atheists.

I'm actually reminded of this picture which seems to pop up regularly...



outlawauron on 10 November 2009
mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.

Is it the Catholic Church's sole job to be the savior of South America and Africa in the sense of economic revival?



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Kasz216 on 10 November 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I don't really understand how "atheism" can be blamed for anything hitler or nazis, or anyone did. It's a grossly invalid argument because it isn't a motivating factor so much as it is just an aspect of who they are. Stalin and hitler both had mustaches too, did that motivate them or was it just something about them? Religion can actually be used to motivate people to do bad things even if it is "erroneous" use of the teachings (which is debatable).

Good video about it.

I don't think you get it.  It's in relation to him stating Protestants are responsible of what the KKK is doing

 

Your argument is MY argument.



mrstickball on 10 November 2009
outlawauron said:
mrstickball said:
caz -

My argument about South America and Africa is that if Catholocism was a true force for good....Wouldn't we see reductions in poverty? After all, the sum of the Bible can be found in the teachings of Jesus concerning helping others, and holiness. Given the results of the Catholic church...It's hard to say that they've been an overall force for good.

Of course, maybe I'm biased. They killed a lot of protestants because we thought differently.

Is it the Catholic Church's sole job to be the savior of South America and Africa in the sense of economic revival?

Don't you think that when you have nations that are 70%+ Catholic, and have been that way since their founding that their religion would have at least a slight correlation between their their religion and any other area of life, much less economy?



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SimonSaysFYou on 10 November 2009

Hm, I have yet to view these videos but I was raised in a catholic household and went to catholic school for 9 years...Yet even after receiving all the sacraments and going to all the religion classes, I'm gay and haven't been to church in 3 years lol.