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emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:
all of christianity would get destroyed in a debate agains a liberal society, more so, i can formulate mor agains points to protestanism than to catholism

No, not really. Catholocism has far more going against it than protestanism has ever had for it. Furthermore, it really comes down (as others have said) to who is debating. If you had Ravi Zacharias in for the Christians versus someone like Dawkins, it would most likely favor protestants.

Catholocism (even speaking from a Christian point of view, as much as I love Christianity) has always been a blight on Christianity. Their list of crimes against humanity may only be surpassed by communism and Islam. Protestants haven't murdered people in droves like the Catholics ever had.

the ku kux klan is a protestan organization. black people weren't alowed into protestan churches even in the religious revolutions america underwent. some may defend martin luther stating he wanted a religious cleansing, and to get married like many said, he had 6 children, a gigantic number for a decadent europe. nazi germany was a protestan nation, until hitler stated "One is either a cristian or a german"  and capitalism, protestanism has a capitalist approach that is repugnant to my view, they teach one is failing god by not payin the "tax"(the thing were you give 10% of your money each month) gos does not need money, why the fuck the pastor has a homer and i'm struggling to feed my children?

supernatural healing, lol. they say homosexuality is a demon(atleast catholics dont) they say masturbation is a demon. theres so may wrong things, but protestanism, as it is not a single entity like catholism is, always save its self. btw martin luther profecied the world would end in his lifespan, and the asembly of god churces stated the world would end around 1924.

I wish your spelling was better. At any rate, I will try to dissect your arguments.

  • Although the KKK does indeed have some sort of sembelance with Protestantism, the fact is their goals have been about race, and not religous affiliation. There have been multiple issues with KKK members attacking Protestant ministers that were positive of the black race.

Indiana's Klansmen represented a wide cross section of society: they were not disproportionately urban or rural, nor were they significantly more or less likely than other members of society to be from the working class, middle class, or professional ranks. Klansmen were Protestants, of course, but they cannot be described exclusively or even predominantly as fundamentalists. In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church.[66]

  • I'm unsure what your attack is on Mr. Luther for having 6 kids?
  • Nazi Germany had a large steeping in Eugenics to drive their atrocities towards the Jews and Gypsies - which is a view far from most protestant teaching. Although Germany was indeed predominantly Lutheran at the time of Hitler's rise to power, his views were not that of Protestant teaching.
  • You do not understand the Biblical teaching of tithes, I am afraid. The reason for the tithe isn't to support a pastor, the funds are meant to help the poor that you mention. If you look at the Book of Acts - the history of the church immediately after Jesus' death - you find a large amount of communal involvement by the apostles and adherents to Christianity. They had food banks to provide for the poor and needy. Today, churches support major humanitarian groups through their tithe. For example, the denomination I am involved in gives a large amount of their tithe to World Vision, which spends 87% of their annual budget on programs toward helping the poor. Also every church I have been involved with, each has maintained a food pantry, homeless shelter, soup kitchen or other relief effort. Furthermore, if a person is of a level of poverty that they cannot afford tithes, you will rarely find a pastor to deride them of that. I know I've never met a pastor that would.


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The question should be: "Is religion a good thing for the people?".
The answer: NO. Religion doesn't help anything.
I'm and atheist, and I won't post the arguments for that, there are so many. (Feel free to Google it, I don't want to write).

Any religion can be DESTROYED if there's a bit of rational thinking.



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DanielD said:

The question should be: "Is religion a good thing for the people?".
The answer: NO. Religion doesn't help anything.
I'm and atheist, and I won't post the arguments for that, there are so many. (Feel free to Google it, I don't want to write).

Any religion can be DESTROYED if there's a bit of rational thinking.

No. Absolutely not. It's not exactly a secret that I am critical of religion, but I think destroying religion is going too far. The dirty truth is that religion is needed as a staple part of society. People need something to put their faith into.

I think that religion can easily be more beneficial than it is destructive. You couldn't criticise a Buddhist very easily, because their religion is largely seen as peaceful and progressive in the societies where they exist.

Although I did once tell one to fuck off, he wouldn't leave me alone, apparently forcing a leaflet into my hand while I was shopping warrants a donation.



NKAJ said:
yeah i saw that....cathoclicism was never going to win popularity when they stand aginst several things that we as a modern society view as perfectly acceptable.And especially things like homosexuality and even more the use of condoms to stop aids.However to be fair id like to have seen any major religion win that debate.Perhap buddhism?

I totally agree. And I'm Catholic. Though I am a bit more open-minded then my fellow Catholics.

I think homosexuality is okay. And I'm for gay marriage for political reasons.

 

As for condoms stopping AIDS. Ha.



mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:
all of christianity would get destroyed in a debate agains a liberal society, more so, i can formulate mor agains points to protestanism than to catholism

No, not really. Catholocism has far more going against it than protestanism has ever had for it. Furthermore, it really comes down (as others have said) to who is debating. If you had Ravi Zacharias in for the Christians versus someone like Dawkins, it would most likely favor protestants.

Catholocism (even speaking from a Christian point of view, as much as I love Christianity) has always been a blight on Christianity. Their list of crimes against humanity may only be surpassed by communism and Islam. Protestants haven't murdered people in droves like the Catholics ever had.

Crimes against humanity surpassed by communism and Islam... let's not be illogical.  People are the ones who committed those crimes... not ideologies.  Islam, Christianity, and Communism have not been responsible for most of these deaths.  Only those who have manipulated and corrupted them to brainwash the people have been the true murderers.  It is simply illogical to blame it on the ideologies.  And considering I know you already make the argument that "guns don't kill people, but people do" this would come as a contradiction to that notion.

 

I will have to watch this to see what is going on but personally I think anyone that states they know the truth when indeed they don't, can't be a good force in the world. 



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It's not the ideologies fault in many cases, it's those individuals that go too far.

Take for example Islam. In my whole life I have only ever met one Muslim who I would say is nasty and evil, and I've met hundreds of Muslims. The fact is that most Muslims are peaceful people who have decent morales and often try to lead by example in a good way. But you get those few nutcases, who only represent 1% of the group, go completely insane. The result is that the 1% of extremist nutcases do stupid things like the September 11th attacks, and they take the limelight and it tarnishes the name of the whole group.

Unfortunately sometimes you get one of those individuals who gains control and starts manipulating the whole organisation and that leads to bad things.



mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:
mrstickball said:
emilie autumn said:
all of christianity would get destroyed in a debate agains a liberal society, more so, i can formulate mor agains points to protestanism than to catholism

No, not really. Catholocism has far more going against it than protestanism has ever had for it. Furthermore, it really comes down (as others have said) to who is debating. If you had Ravi Zacharias in for the Christians versus someone like Dawkins, it would most likely favor protestants.

Catholocism (even speaking from a Christian point of view, as much as I love Christianity) has always been a blight on Christianity. Their list of crimes against humanity may only be surpassed by communism and Islam. Protestants haven't murdered people in droves like the Catholics ever had.

the ku kux klan is a protestan organization. black people weren't alowed into protestan churches even in the religious revolutions america underwent. some may defend martin luther stating he wanted a religious cleansing, and to get married like many said, he had 6 children, a gigantic number for a decadent europe. nazi germany was a protestan nation, until hitler stated "One is either a cristian or a german"  and capitalism, protestanism has a capitalist approach that is repugnant to my view, they teach one is failing god by not payin the "tax"(the thing were you give 10% of your money each month) gos does not need money, why the fuck the pastor has a homer and i'm struggling to feed my children?

supernatural healing, lol. they say homosexuality is a demon(atleast catholics dont) they say masturbation is a demon. theres so may wrong things, but protestanism, as it is not a single entity like catholism is, always save its self. btw martin luther profecied the world would end in his lifespan, and the asembly of god churces stated the world would end around 1924.

I wish your spelling was better. At any rate, I will try to dissect your arguments.

  • Although the KKK does indeed have some sort of sembelance with Protestantism, the fact is their goals have been about race, and not religous affiliation. There have been multiple issues with KKK members attacking Protestant ministers that were positive of the black race.

Indiana's Klansmen represented a wide cross section of society: they were not disproportionately urban or rural, nor were they significantly more or less likely than other members of society to be from the working class, middle class, or professional ranks. Klansmen were Protestants, of course, but they cannot be described exclusively or even predominantly as fundamentalists. In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church.[66]

  • I'm unsure what your attack is on Mr. Luther for having 6 kids?
  • Nazi Germany had a large steeping in Eugenics to drive their atrocities towards the Jews and Gypsies - which is a view far from most protestant teaching. Although Germany was indeed predominantly Lutheran at the time of Hitler's rise to power, his views were not that of Protestant teaching.
  • You do not understand the Biblical teaching of tithes, I am afraid. The reason for the tithe isn't to support a pastor, the funds are meant to help the poor that you mention. If you look at the Book of Acts - the history of the church immediately after Jesus' death - you find a large amount of communal involvement by the apostles and adherents to Christianity. They had food banks to provide for the poor and needy. Today, churches support major humanitarian groups through their tithe. For example, the denomination I am involved in gives a large amount of their tithe to World Vision, which spends 87% of their annual budget on programs toward helping the poor. Also every church I have been involved with, each has maintained a food pantry, homeless shelter, soup kitchen or other relief effort. Furthermore, if a person is of a level of poverty that they cannot afford tithes, you will rarely find a pastor to deride them of that. I know I've never met a pastor that would.

english is not my first language and i learned it by watching pokemon, so dont expect much. anyways,

the requirements to enter in the klan are to be a protestan white male.

hitler's view wasn't of religion yes, but if protestanism is so better than catholism, germans would've refused this antisemitism, they didn't.

i'm not gonna talk about money cause i don't know all pastors in the world, and since protestants are not a sinlge entity with a single bank like catholism, its impossible to say who is corrupt and whos not.  

 

the biggest crime attributed to catholism, the inquisition, is a funny case. the church didn't kill a singe during th inquisition(unlike the crusades) but they only sentenced them, and then the state carried out execution, tortures were carried over by agents of the state at the presence of a priest and at religion insitutions. lets remember protestan america was the one that killed martin luther king anad the one searching for weapons of mass destruction.



 

I'm Catholic...



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Saying the Klu Klux Clan is a protestant orginzation is like saying the Nazis were an atheist organization.

Which is odd why you use such a bad comparison when you yourself mention the Nazis.