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Procrastinato said:
Onyxmeth said:
Ajescent said:
What's wrong with saying "No comment" or "it doesn't concern us?" Instead of going on some tangent that says a lot more about you than everyone else.

There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying what Gabe Newell said in the past was smart, but it's not like he stood on a pedestal at a press conference and belted these quotes out, which is the impression I've gotten from many people in this thread. I've seen the words "PR", "going out of their way", etc. used.

In fact, people are still holding Gabe Newell to comments he made years ago, when his interviews in the last few months have been very nice and apologetic towards PS3 owners. But we'll remember what interviews we choose to remember right? Whichever give us the best advantage to remain bitter and angry?

That's just it.  No one has to hold Valve to past comments at all, because they keep coming up with new excuses and insults.

Your statement makes no sense, in that regard.  People are upset with Valve's negative comments, and senseless excuses, because they could just be keeping their mouths shut about it, like every other X360 exclusive developer does.  Worse than that, this recent comment can actually be perceived to target the PSN community, rather than PSN or Sony itself.  The actual users/potential consumers?

I'm sure the Valve guy meant "PSN service", but... he didn't actually explain anything about that comment.  He just "blamed PSN" and didn't give a good reason.  Not very constructive criticism, I'd have to say.

He's just criticizing.  He's not trying to be helpful, not trying to get anyone to change anything to make potential consumers happy (i.e. PS3 owners who want Valve games), etc.  He's just bashing.

Hence, the complaints.

 

He/Valve deserves every bit of it, until they start treating their potential consumers and business partners with some respect.

I said Gabe Newell made such and such comments, and you used that to think I was refering to Valve. We're obviously not on the same page so let's just forget it.

On a sidenote, Chet didn't have to mean to say PSN service or PSN community, because it seems he didn't say either. What you read was the writer of that piece of news say PSN community and then directly quote Chet. Here's the excerpt you're talking about:

Left 4 Dead project lead Chet Faliszek has said the 360 community is "head and shoulders above the PS3", and that's why the multiplayer-focused Left 4 Dead series isn't on Sony's console.

Note that the only thing directly quoted from Chet is the line "head and shoulders above the PS3". Everything else is told through the interpretations of the writer. Now let's look further down when the writer directly quotes Chet, but gives his entire response:

Faliszek replied went on: "In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?"

Notice, the part where it says the exact same thing as the beginning, "head and shoulders above the PS3" but now you see the entire passage? You can tell he actually said the community aspects and hooking up with your friends, and didn't say what the writer alluded to in the beginning, which was the community itself. This is sensationalistic journalism. I'm sorry you fell for it.



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Wow Valve Really have some attachements issues with Microsoft... Are they paying you that much? if you dont want to develop for ps3 just don't but... do not critisize PS3 just becuz you dont want to develop for it... because you don't even know if PS3 is good or bad... you haven't even tried developed a single game on it... oh and by the way... PS3 is beating XBOX360 in sales these days... maybe ps3 doesn't need u anyway.. there is naughty dog.. insomaniac,,, Team ICO Quantic dream...



Onyxmeth said:
snyperdud said:
 

Because, to say that that PSN doesn't have a good enough community aspects to fully enjoy a game L4D is just plain stupid.

When a game like KZ2 can provide a great online/community experience that is on par with any online game that I've played on the 360 that proves it right there.

This would be like Naughty Dog saying Uncharted 2 online wouldn't work well on XBL because of the community.

Even though, they haven't even attempted nor have any intentions of attempting.

Seems really stupid to make a comment like that to me.

 

Maybe so, but I was quoting you because I was refering to your comment, not his. If you find it better if I take a stance on the matter, then I think his original comment is wrong, and yours was just as ignorant. The PSN community isn't perfect, but it's good enough to wrap the Left 4 Dead package around, and you obviously don't need to develop a PS3 game to know what the community is like.

What part of my comment was ignorant?

 

I never said PSN was perfect, or that even it was better than XBL.

It's true that Valve doesn't have to develop a game to know what the community is like. However, if you going to make a statement like they did, they should at least show some kind of proof or something to back up their comment.

Because right now, Valve are the ignorant ones.



theprof00 said:
patapon said:
theprof00 said:
lhill81 said:
it just shows how ignorant valve is, i play on both ps3 and 360, the online is the same now, the only difference is sonys network is free. microsoft is paying valve.

In a way this is true. It is cheaper to sell games (and produce them) on the 360. Selling 5M copies of a game on 360 earns the dev as much profit as say (shot in the dark here) 6M copies sold on the ps3.

I don't mean to hold your feet to the fire, but where did you get that info?

for one, dvd vs BRD cost.

for two, console owner fee is cheaper on 360.

there are several more reasons.

When you're talking about mass production of disks, Blu ray is barely more expensive than making dvd disks, I read somewhere that's its maybe 10-15% more per disk and that was over a year ago. (keep in mind they use mostly the same material) The media you buy for blu ray and dvd for use on a dvd/blu ray burner doesn't represent the costs fairly of what the companies actually pay per disk.  What might make a difference is the royalties paid per disk, which i have no idea if it's more than a DVD.



 

patapon said:
I don't understand the "head and shoulders" part about ps3 online vs. Xbox online. It's just not that way anymore...

I wish they would be honest and just say "Hey, we don't want to develop for the ps3 and that's that"

They don't need to come up with silly excuses.

I second this. its unfortunate that valve wont port their games but hey theyre available on PC and EVERYONE on here has a PC and chances are its either a gaming rig or its only a few years old in which case just throw $80 down on newegg and get a midrange Video card and then you can play all of Valves amazing games!



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I'm really losing respect for Valve. There's no denying they're good at what they do but what do but they act like they're the best developer, and they are not. I'd take Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward, Bungie, Polyphony Digital, and probably a few more before I would take Valve.



snyperdud said:
Onyxmeth said:
snyperdud said:
 

Because, to say that that PSN doesn't have a good enough community aspects to fully enjoy a game L4D is just plain stupid.

When a game like KZ2 can provide a great online/community experience that is on par with any online game that I've played on the 360 that proves it right there.

This would be like Naughty Dog saying Uncharted 2 online wouldn't work well on XBL because of the community.

Even though, they haven't even attempted nor have any intentions of attempting.

Seems really stupid to make a comment like that to me.

 

Maybe so, but I was quoting you because I was refering to your comment, not his. If you find it better if I take a stance on the matter, then I think his original comment is wrong, and yours was just as ignorant. The PSN community isn't perfect, but it's good enough to wrap the Left 4 Dead package around, and you obviously don't need to develop a PS3 game to know what the community is like.

What part of my comment was ignorant?

 

I never said PSN was perfect, or that even it was better than XBL.

It's true that Valve doesn't have to develop a game to know what the community is like. However, if you going to make a statement like they did, they should at least show some kind of proof or something to back up their comment.

Because right now, Valve are the ignorant ones.

The ignorant part of your comment was the part that said Valve needs to have developed a PS3 game to have knowledge of the PSN community. The fact that you've now said the complete opposite in the bolded shows you understand that your original statement was in no way correct and could have then be portrayed as ignorant.



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Well community on xbox360 is far better than Ps3.
At least what I have seen , since most of my gaming friends don't have Ps3...And its really hard to get friends who play with you on Psn.I'm not sure why.



 

 

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Ah well, see my sig: at one point Valve wasn't spewing FUD about PS3.  They made a conscious decision to start doing so, and haven't let up since.



Simulacrum said:
Well community on xbox360 is far better than Ps3.
At least what I have seen , since most of my gaming friends don't have Ps3...And its really hard to get friends who play with you on Psn.I'm not sure why.

Here's my main 3 reasons:

1. A lot of PS3 owners are legacy PS2 owners, and the PS2 just didn't attract a very large online community outside of Socom. PS2 owners were very used to single player experiences because of the poor online structure, support and weren't even very intuned with 4-player multiplayer since the PS2 only had two controller slots.

2. The PS3 doesn't come packaged with a headset.

3. The PS3 is always a few steps behind XBox Live, and for many on the fence the monetary aspect doesn't outweigh the experience you get. I think it stems from the word of mouth also. When the WoM selling point for the PSN is it's free, and the WoM selling point of Xbox Live is that it's the best, it's easy to see how that might win out in many scenarios.



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