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Your first mistake:
Assuming critic reviews (ie similar to metacritic) is a useful metric.... the entire review system at the moment is built around the HD style of games... so most critics have them rated high compared to Wii.



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Gnizmo said:
eggs2see said:
I listed only a few just as examples, if you are truelly interested then flick through the pages of reviews and have a look for yourself (as i stated in my opening post).

And if you are not interested in reading these reviews for yourself, then please don't post, it's fine, i won't feel hurt.

If you can't create an argument then this thread violates an explicitly stated rule. The burden of proof is on you. I would suggest you try to get some going sooner rather than later as it will end with the thread locked otherwise. Possibly you will be banned.

Flicking through the reviews shows me a ton of examples above, below, and spot on. Further, you need to establish the "average" review score as actually an average and not a hand picked set of reviews. On top of that you have to explain why this is true across multiple people. After that you need to show there is actually a bias one way or the other by showing how many are over and under. Short of that you are just flaming the site with anecdotal evidence.


Wow i can see why you have been banned before, your really annoying, lighten up.  I didn't realise there was a set of guidelines for if you want to question wether VGChartz are nintendo fanboys, really sorry about that. I'll make sure i look that kind of thing up first before i post.

Oh wait no, im being sarcastic, i won't really do that. Because i have provided examples and the proof is right here on the site, and im not going to copy and paste it when it is easier for everyone to do exactly what i did and just flick through the pages.  If you go through even the first 5 pages and you really don't agree with me then fine, but what i see is alot of inflated scores towards nintendo games, while the games on PS3/X360 are generally on par.



eggs2see said:


Wow i can see why you have been banned before, your really annoying, lighten up.  I didn't realise there was a set of guidelines for if you want to question wether VGChartz are nintendo fanboys, really sorry about that. I'll make sure i look that kind of thing up first before i post.

Oh wait no, im being sarcastic, i won't really do that. Because i have provided examples and the proof is right here on the site, and im not going to copy and paste it when it is easier for everyone to do exactly what i did and just flick through the pages.  If you go through even the first 5 pages and you really don't agree with me then fine, but what i see is alot of inflated scores towards nintendo games, while the games on PS3/X360 are generally on par.

I don't even have so much as a warning on my account actually. Nice attempt at the ad hominem attack though.

See that red name? Thats the sites owner. He is, understandably, a bit twitchy when it comes to people flaming the site. Fanboy is defined an insult here too, so right there in the thread title you are breaking a rule. You need to create a reasonable debate too. That is right there in the rules. That is another violation. No one else has to do your work for you. You don't either, but the thread won't go anywhere until you do.

Create a solid argument, or don't create threads attacking the website is right there in the forum rules you have agreed to, and said you read when first signing up. You might want to reconsider the sarcasm of your statements.



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eggs2see said:

At first i didn't think much of it, but then i delved deeper into the reviews section to look for more clues.  And here is what i found.

I have compiled a comparison (as listed in the reviews section on this site) of several popular titles across platforms.

 

Uncharted 2 (PS3) - VG Score 9.2 - Critic Score 9.5      Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2(PS3) VG score 8.8 - Critic score 8.5

inFamous (PS3) - VG Score 8.2 - Critic Score 8.7         Valkyria Chronicles(PS3) VG score 94 - Critic score 8.4

Demon Souls (PS3) - VG Score 8.7 - Critic Score 9.0    Star Ocean: The Last Hope(Xbox360) VG score 79 - Critic score 73

Halo 3 (X360) - VG Score 8.8 - Critic Score 9.6            Halo Wars (Xbox360) VG score 84 - Ctritic score 8.1

The Conduit (Wii) - VG Score 8.3 - Critic Score 6.6       Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles VG score 70 - Critic score 75

Wii Sports Resort (Wii) - VG Score 8.8 - Critic Score 8.0 Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Wheelie Breakers Vg score 67 - Critic Score 75

 

These games are all on the front page of the reviews section so anyone can easily go along and have a look.

The list goes on too, while not in every case there definitely seems to be a love affair for all things on the Wii and DS.

damn...now they look anti Nintendo

you cant just pick a few reviews and make a baseless statement like that



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ioi said:
Cherry picking a few reviews to support an argument isn't what I'd call a reasonable debate.

Also, maybe VGChartz has different criteria for reviews compared to other sites, maybe we put more emphasis on gameplay and fun than presentation and graphics for example.


No your right, they are simply there as examples, teasers if you will, to intice people in and make them want to see more and goto the reviews section.  But apparently no one is interested in doing that.

Your second paragraph is more interesting though, reading between the lines you are emplying that VGChartz puts more weighting on what nintendo games provide and less on the cutting edge graphics that so many game designer strive to achieve.  This in itself suggests favouritism. Also you state they may put more emphasis on "fun" but how can you give "fun" a numerical score?



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Many reveiwers are anti nintendo so the average critic score for nintendo games will be lower than it should be.



What do you mean ioi? of course we're Nintendo fanboys *looks at hat*




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ioi said:
No I simply implied that all sites have different guidelines for reviews. Personally I feel that many sites put too much emphasis on the technical achievements of games rather than focus on the gameplay. I feel that our reviewers get the balance right.

Somebody has already provided a set of counter-examples to show that there isn't a pattern of VGChartz rating Nintendo platform games higher and everything else lower - it was just that you cherry picked a set of games that happened to fit your "theory". This is why people are calling you out and why your post could be deemed as inflammatory and "anti-VGChartz". I.e you are trying to cause trouble with a heavily loaded argument.


Ok well i guess you are allowed to choose how you weight each element of a game, but that doesn't change the fact that your weighting system gives leanience towards nintendo's games.  This next argument is of course just my personal opinion but given the fact that you are staring at a screen for the entire time you are playing a game, i feel presentation and graphics are very important, while not as important as the gameplay, they go hand in hand in creating atmosphere and drawing a player into a game. E.g resident evil wouldnt really be very scary with 8-bit graphics.

I didn't realise "fanboys" was such a dirty word, but it did definitely add impact to the title, never the less i still stand by my statement that your site gives leanience towards nintendo's style of game/development, thus showing a preference.



eggs2see said:


Ok well i guess you are allowed to choose how you weight each element of a game, but that doesn't change the fact that your weighting system gives leaneance towards nintendo's games.  This next argument is of course just my personal opinion but given the fact that you are staring at a screen for the entire time you are playing a game, i feel presentation and graphics are very important, while not as important as the gameplay, they go hand in hand in creating atmosphere and drawing a player into a game. E.g resident evil wouldnt really be very scary with 8-bit graphics.

You have yet to reliably demonstrate that. For every example you provided there was a counter-point given. So far it has shown to give it a random favoritism. Why do you say it is Nintendo biased? Looking at it I see them as evenly split.



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Gnizmo, did you go through the first five pages like I asked?

Plus ioi has stated that his reviewers put more weighting on "fun" and "gameplay" over "presentation" and "graphics".

I say if you want a fun game and don't care about graphics or presentation, there is a bunch of flash games on the internet that you can play for free, or roms you can download too.