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You really underestimate GT selling power and GT fanbase.
If MGS4 can sell 4-5 mln. on current PS3 userbase, then GT5 will definitely sell 10 mln.+ LTD.

Anyway, in about 7 weeks we will have FFXIII first week sales in Japan, which probably will indicate what GT5 can sell.



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ZorroX said:
You really underestimate GT selling power and GT fanbase.
If MGS4 can sell 4-5 mln. on current PS3 userbase, then GT5 will definitely sell 10 mln.+ LTD.

Anyway, in about 7 weeks we will have FFXIII first week sales in Japan, which probably will indicate what GT5 can sell.

Look how GT's doing on the 50m+ PSP base.  The brand's not invincible, and PS3 isn't PS2...



ps3_jrpg_gamer said:
only the time can tell
i bet 1 euro on ps3


woah dont bust the bank



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1) PSP suffer from pirating, PS3 not.
2) Comparing both versions of GT a game, is like saying: "Because MH3 sold less than 1 mln. on a Wii, MH3G won`t sell 3 mln. on PSP."
GT has established userbase on home PS consoles, while MH on portable.
Anyway, soon you will see. 10 mln.+ for GT5 is inevitable.
By the way, PS3 userbase will be already around 35 mln. by the time of GT5 release and probably 45 mln. by the end of 2010.



ZorroX said:

1) PSP suffer from pirating, PS3 not.
2) Comparing both versions of GT a game, is like saying: "Because MH3 sold less than 1 mln. on a Wii, MH3G won`t sell 3 mln. on PSP."
GT has established userbase on home PS consoles, while MH on portable.
Anyway, soon you will see. 10 mln.+ for GT5 is inevitable.
By the way, PS3 userbase will be already around 35 mln. by the time of GT5 release and probably 45 mln. by the end of 2010.

You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.  10 million is a HUGE milestone, one that only one exclusive HD game (Halo 3) has managed, and neither Gran Turismo nor PlayStation seem to have the same sort of wide pull they used to.  Hell, GT4 barely passed 10m.



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GT5:P has not the content of GT5. Thats why some people still havent bought a PS3 or GT5:P. Its a DEMO. Some of you may say its almost a full game because of the Content. No its not. Compared to GT5 Content its nothing 5-10% its just not comparable to GT5 in anyway. Just because it still is better then some of the Racing Games out there despite beeing a Demo its not anywhere near the real GT and people know that.

MGS3 sold less then 4 on a way way higher userbase. Gt4:P sold 1/4th or less of Gt5:P.

GT5 will be massive, atleast as successful as GT4 but maybe more.

And GT on PSP is the first handheld GT. It just cant deliver the GT Experience. GT Fans want GT on TV not on mini screen. They probably want it with a Wheel. And for sure they want NEXT GEN. And piracy is an issue. The Userbase of Handheld and Home Console is totaly different. And the Experiences which can be delievered too.


Some of you may underestimate the GT Power. But I dont care as long as I get the Game. The only thing what disturbes me is that GT5:P sold great and still the people point on GT5:P and say GT5 wont sell as good as the precedessors. Look how poorly GT5:P Sold.

What number would be good ? Should 75% of GT User Adapt a Demo which cost almost as a full game ? And buy a Console even if they are just interested in GT ? Yes there are people out there which play JUST GT.

To the discussion.

I predicted a while ago that the PS3 will outsell the WII in 2009 and probably reach 5 Million before Wii reaches 10 Million. And everything seems to happen this week the PS3 outsold the Wii. Due to Tekken 6 and Bayonetta. And the Wii could not catch up to 2008 years numbers after the Price Cut. For me it was not hard to see that the HD market in Japan is not as saturated as the SD market. Why should the japanese be the only market where the HD market is smaller then the SD market ? That makes no sense. The Xbox360 plays no role so the PS3 has still plenty of room to go up. The Wii will never even go above the 2008 mark world wide. I am really curios to the Japan PS3 numbers. Mainly because "some" told me that I have no clue its almost impossible that the PS3 will be stronger 2009 then the WII. And that the Japanese market is pretty easy to predict. It was like, Why I even dare to make such a stupid prediction.

My prediciton will hopefully come to true but atleast I admit that the Wii has still a chance to win.



jarrod said:
Train wreck said:
atma998 said:
tedsteriscool said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Here is the current sales in japan for 2009 for Wii and PS3 VGChartz Hardware data for the period 04th Jan 2009 to 24th Oct 2009: Console Wii PS3 Japan 1,012,924 1,006,810 So in order to beat the Wii, PS3 will probably have to sell at least 750K over ten weeks

And it'll sell 500k quicker than you can blink once FF XIII hits. Slim launch and this will be comparable. And whats going to boost Wii so much? NSMB?


NSMB Wii + Taiko Wii 2, Tales of Graces, Sengoku Musou 3,  PokePark, Mario & Sonic 2 and Crystal Bearers. This is a strong line up if you ask me.

Fixed.  Famitsu gave the Crystal Bearers a 30/40.  Not going to boost systems sales.

None of the titles I listed are going to spike sales (except Mario), that wasn't the point.  The point was they added to the lineup overall, and showed possibly the first time that Wii could expect a full and varied lineup that would help push overall sales, something that's usually been reserved only for machines like PS2 or DS.

 

Ail said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Train wreck said:
I just call it Wii damage control. Whether or not the PS3 wins Japan (even though it will), the Wii still loses.

I'm just waiting for the excuses to be used to justify why the Wii struggled in 2009.

Waiting for the excuses? There's more than enough of them in this thread


We already know why the Wii struggled in 2009, even Iwata admitted why, so why does anyone need to give an excuse? The facts are already out there. The point of this topic was whether PS3 can outsell the Wii in 2009, in Japan, not why Wii struggled.

2009 is actually probably one  of the best year for 3rd party releases in Japan on the Wii....

 

Monster Hunter Tri, Monster Hunter G, the new Samurai warrior game soon, Tales of Grace..

Aside from DQX, third party ain't gonna get much better than that..

And that list is actually much better than 2007 or 2008...

By the same token, 2009 was far and away the best year for PS3 3rd party wise as well.  RE5, SF4, Yakuza 3, Tekken 6, Tales of Vesperia, Musou Orochi Z, PES 2010, Gundam UC0081, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Bayonetta, FFXIII,so it was a strong year for both PS3 and wii, but looks like ps3 is gonna win. your point? etc, etc.  Plus a huge pricedropnintendo had it too and complete platform remodelingnew colours for wii... (from the shell to the brand to the font even), resulting is what's essentially a platform relaunch.no, it isn't And with all that, it might even not beat out Wii's weakest year yet, the year wherePS3 is still more expenisve than the Wii  even Nintendo's president is talking publicly about how they failed in the region.  Not quite as impressive when put in context.

I'd also argue, 3rd party wise, it only looks downhill for PS3 from FFXIII.  At least Wii still has the promise of DQX, PS3's blew it's load in 2009, and it's not gonna get any better than that...  

 

ZorroX said:
GT5P sold around 4 mln. with PSN.

Every main GT game sells 10 mln.+ copies. This means, that there are 6 mln.+ people, which are yet to buy main GT game.

GT5P was bundled mercilessly and was the first Prologue to even get worldwide release.  

GT5 isn't hitting 10m.  In fact, I doubt any PS3 ever game hits that benchmark (only a handful of PS1/PS2 titles did), due to a weakened userbase and most big titles being on 360 as well.

It has a lot to do with GT's crazy legs. GT games usualy sell for about 5 years. Hell, GT4 just reached 10 million couple of months ago, and the game is over 5 years old. And GT5 will reach 10 million for sure, but not in 2010 or in 2011, somewhere in 2012 or 2013. And userbase doesnt really matter sometimes. MGS4 already outsold couple of its predcessors



Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Train wreck said:
I just call it Wii damage control. Whether or not the PS3 wins Japan (even though it will), the Wii still loses.

I'm just waiting for the excuses to be used to justify why the Wii struggled in 2009.

Waiting for the excuses? There's more than enough of them in this thread


We already know why the Wii struggled in 2009, even Iwata admitted why, so why does anyone need to give an excuse? The facts are already out there. The point of this topic was whether PS3 can outsell the Wii in 2009, in Japan, not why Wii struggled.

2009 is actually probably one  of the best year for 3rd party releases in Japan on the Wii....

 

Monster Hunter Tri, Monster Hunter G, the new Samurai warrior game soon, Tales of Grace..

Aside from DQX, third party ain't gonna get much better than that..

And that list is actually much better than 2007 or 2008...


perhaps, but Nintendo first party was much weaker for Wii WW this year

Pretty sure this is a thread about Japan.

Besides that argument doesn't hold a candle.

2008 was by far the strongest year for Nintendo first party releases in Japan right 

Well 2008 Wii sales in Japan were down 20% compared to 2007....( 2.9 mill compared to 3.6 millions).

 

Sales are just dropping even faster in 2009 which is kinda expected, product sales tend to start to fall slowly and then the fall accelerates..

 


2008 was the strongest at the early part of the year, yes, but by the holidays it was Wii Music and Animal crossing whcih as we all know were failures and the holiday sales were down by nearly half a million, same with most of this year and the dearth of first party titles

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

well avinash you were wrong as PS3 outsold wii by 10K this week.

What do you see happening this holiday in Japan now?



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