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libellule on 29 October 2009
selnor said:

Tyre deformation is nigh on perfect. To the doubters. Here is a real video of tyre deformation. Notice the tyre move around by about 3 inches! At points it's so visible there is a huge gap between the rim and the tyre. Bare in mind the first video in the OP has the car sliding completely sideways in slomo. Thats why the wheel stops moving as there is no forward momentum only sideways at the point.

Also for those saying about damage here, that wasn't the point of the videos. It was the brilliant physics in the rollovers that was impressive.

to say the truth you should try to find a video of a car doing "sliding" that will allow us to compare

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Vashyo on 29 October 2009
libellule said:
Vashyo said:
Looks nice, though I'm not sure if this game has the best physics ever. I expected something little more chaotic and more damage to the cars. :/

something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVTJfzk8_7Q


have you seen the monstruous jump that the car has done ?

that is why the damage are so big in your video

Yeah I know, but cars going 300km/h don't just gently rollover like in the vids. :/



WereKitten on 29 October 2009
JaggedSac said:
And just to reiterate what the simulation is there for. The main reason that they added tire deformation to the simulation engine was not for a visual flair, but for a more realistic simulation of car handling.

I agree. Which makes the first video quite irrelevant, and looking at it and saying "great physics" quite odd, the best you can say is "great visual deformation".

The handling is the important part, and I'll take the word of expert drivers and simulator conoisseurs when they say that Forza 3 is spot on.

As for the roll-overs, I'm again surprised when people claim "great physics". They don't look totally weird -which would be a sign of really bad physics- but that aside the only way to say "great physics" would be to see how accurately they simulate reality.

And without a damaging system that properly deforms the models no game will have "great physics" for such events, that imply a lot of anelastic impact effects.



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PullusPardus on 29 October 2009
Vashyo said:
libellule said:
Vashyo said:
Looks nice, though I'm not sure if this game has the best physics ever. I expected something little more chaotic and more damage to the cars. :/

something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVTJfzk8_7Q


have you seen the monstruous jump that the car has done ?

that is why the damage are so big in your video

Yeah I know, but cars going 300km/h don't just gently rollover like in the vids. :/

i agree with you.

i liked all the vids but when i saw the rollovers i was "Wtf is this the full version? or beta?"

it reminds me of the animated rollovers that used to be in games from the arcade games.

it also reminds me of how i had an argument with Sega4life cause i said this trailer here is CGI and i was shocked when people thought it was gameplay

see the rollover it should be like this instead of what we got in the final game.



libellule on 29 October 2009
Vashyo said:
libellule said:
Vashyo said:
Looks nice, though I'm not sure if this game has the best physics ever. I expected something little more chaotic and more damage to the cars. :/

something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVTJfzk8_7Q


have you seen the monstruous jump that the car has done ?

that is why the damage are so big in your video

Yeah I know, but cars going 300km/h don't just gently rollover like in the vids. :/


in the videos 2 and 3 there are not even at 200 mph IMO



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libellule on 29 October 2009

@PullusPardus

WAIT

http://www.youtube.com/v/NrW215cgMLU&hl=en&fs=1&

are you claiming T10 has released cinematic and claimed it was gameplay ?



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PullusPardus on 29 October 2009
libellule said:
@PullusPardus

WAIT

http://www.youtube.com/v/NrW215cgMLU&hl=en&fs=1&

are you claiming T10 has released cinematic and claimed it was gameplay ?

oh not this again...

they didn't claim it was gameplay they said its the replay feature.

and i argued with heck of alot of people on here telling them its obviously not gameplay its just CGI.

now the game is released you can see the difference clearly.



libellule on 29 October 2009
PullusPardus said:
libellule said:
@PullusPardus

WAIT

http://www.youtube.com/v/NrW215cgMLU&hl=en&fs=1&

are you claiming T10 has released cinematic and claimed it was gameplay ?

oh not this again...

they didn't claim it was gameplay they said its the replay feature.

and i argued with heck of alot of people on here telling them its obviously not gameplay its just CGI.

now the game is released you can see the difference clearly.


OK, I just didn't know it was so clear ... I always have the impression everybody thought it was real replay gameplay

and not CGI 



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Jaaau! on 29 October 2009

That's very cool and all but yesterday I came across this and was a bit disappointed tbh.

 

Anyway, good videos on that first post, I'd still get the game no doubt if I had a 360.

 



JaggedSac on 29 October 2009

You only came across that yesterday? That thing has been floating around for a while now.