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He's spreading the glory of Sparta to anyone and everyone, I don't believe it has anything to do with cities that are "owned" by gods.

Besides, it's not "if he attacked rhodes"....he definitely did, someone linked the video for you.

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Rhodes.html

Seems Helius is the patron of Rhodes, which would leave me to believe that it was "owned" by a god anyway.



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MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

The J man has extensively played all God of War games and by far the first was his favourite out of the 3 , Kratos unknowingly kills his family because of the god he worked for and works his way even through hell to get his ultimate revenge and also try to forget the deed he had done......he was broken but eventually killed Ares and eventually takes his place as the god of war (up to this point, its reasonable, but kratos didnt want only revenge, he wanted his memories free from the horrible thing he had done in the past) ...but then it gets weird.

At the beginning of GOW 2 we are shown that Kratos has revived his spartan army and is attacking...wait for it....ATHENAS  CITY (FAIL. He was attacking rhodes) for absolutely no reason!!!....The god who (it could be argued) got him his position as the god of war. The god who warned him to stop going out of control or face the reprocussions was having her city destroyed by the person she helped though his journey........(Because of the earlier fail, this fails too.Epicl FAIl.)they zeus comes and rightfully kills Kratos

(Kratos wanted to spread the glory of sparta since even before he was a servant of the gods..when he was betrayed by the gods who failed their promise of cleansing his memories.

Therefore, he was pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for what he had done - killed his family and ruthlessly massacred innocent people, Spreadin the glory of sparta would have been his only "joy".

Whether zeus killing kratos was "rightful" or not cannot be decuded by us as they are both "bad" guys.Kratos is an antihero.Besides, Zeus only does this as he is afraid of kratos taking over the rule of olympus as he had done the same thing by killing his own father, kronos.)

(not before geniously taking away his powers as gods cant fight gods)(but he kills them without any god powers lol .)

.........and then Kratos cheats death because of the titans blah blah blah.

The blah blah part is where the plot is !

The titans ---> want revenge from the gods. (Gaia helped zeus who backstabbed her by taking the fight to all titan, not just kronos.) 

Kratos -----> wants revenge from the gods for breaking promises, betrayal 

Kratos + titans  = allies

Kratos + Titans ----> overthrow the rule of the zeus who acts like an asshole.

What do you think of kratos ...do you still feel he has a purpose or do you believe that this is a position he put himself and deserves to die?

Besides, story isnt everything. Gameplay was largely better in God of War II.



 

Rhodes was a part of Athen..."Invasions by the Persians eventually overran the island, but after their defeat by the forces from Athens in 478 BC, the cities joined the Athenian League"...taken from wikipedia..........Im not sure where in the game but the J man is pretty sure they mention the city as athena's.



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

Jesus ! Go play god of war 2 nao !
Rhodes is an island which was a part of athens but isnt athens !

THIS THREAD FAILS.



The last thing I give a shit about when I'm stabbing a cyclops in the brain and pulling out his eyeball is whether or not there's a "purpose".



jesus kung fu magic said:
Feylic said:
If you really played these games all the way through you would know that Krato's was not an all around loving guy when he was first introduced. He was a hardened soldier. So after he became a god, he just continued fighting. As was also mentioned in this thread, he was promised that his memories would go away, but they didn't, so he's still pissed.

If you really played the games , you would have realized that the gods didnt promise Kratos freedom from his memories but that Kratos mis-understood them....which is why he probably clung to the hope that they would erase them because if not them then who?

Kratos would have killed Ares either way because of his vendetta against the god.....he just had support from the gods this way so it was a win-win for him either way.

And if you actually played through GOW1 you would have realized that even though he is shown as a hardened soldier at the beginning, you start to see the character of kratos and what drives him to do what he does in the game to the point you feel sympathetic towards him and what ever Ares had coming to him would be rightfully deserved........this is one of the reasons why GOW1 is vastly superior to GOW2.

 

 

Of course he would have killed Ares either way, the point is, the gods refused to make his memories go away, and he took that as an offence. I don't get your last paragraph.. but GoW1 storyline was superior to GoW2 yes



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Again, I do wish they explored free will and fate a bit more. The Illiad and the Odyssey, even when they weren't talking about the lack of free will (which a modern story like GoW does) made it even more obvious that the mortals were powerless and the gods controlled everything.

In fact the gods in the Illiad seem like pricks if you think about it. The huge war is over a trivial conflict like the apple, Zeus helps the Trojans because of Achilles' rage and his mother's favor. The playful dysfunctional family sitcom image in Olympus, while Hector has that really dramatic and tragic scene with his wife and child.

They need to portray the gods more negatively IMHO. Although the Titan story did help show Zeus as not being so nice along with his real intention of stopping Kratos.

Again though, Kratos isn't all that sympathetic IMHO. Hopefully we as players have some control over the story like the ending of GTA IV.



Akvod, it's possible to take Kratos as immensely sympathetic and the gods as almost monstrous - Zeus in particular. He's as negative a figure as there is. Kratos is tragic and sympathetic because his Greek flaw is rage - it's not quite pride, doesn't lend itself to being brought down in the same way, but it is invested with its own tragedies.



Khuutra said:
Akvod, it's possible to take Kratos as immensely sympathetic and the gods as almost monstrous - Zeus in particular. He's as negative a figure as there is. Kratos is tragic and sympathetic because his Greek flaw is rage - it's not quite pride, doesn't lend itself to being brought down in the same way, but it is invested with its own tragedies.

Well looking at it from a modern perspective, I think Kratos isn't all that sympathetic.

3:30 ish

Also I find the "wipe my memories and sins away" to be the wrong way out. You cannot undo your past, and just trying to "atone" or "relieve" yourself of sin like the Middle Eastern religions is wrong (look at the Chick tracts, and how criminals can just appeal in the end and "erase" their sins). The right way, IMHO, is to accept your past and sins, but move on.

Kratos, after the first game, constantly cannot let go and his rage and anger only leads to more and more destruction. His blaming of others for something that was his fault (and Ares's).

 

Athena's death words also signify that Kratos's desire to destroy the god is selfish and can lead to anarchy and disorder, while as much as Zeus is not sympathetic, Athena will sacrifice herself and be selfless to preserve that order.

 

Like I said, it's not completely black and white, that's all I'm saying. I really felt sad for Kratos the first time I saw him kill his family, and when he became the God of War at the end of the first game, and sad miserably on his throne for all eternity (or so I thought). But, Ares didn't completely manipulate Kratos. Kratos was happy to continue fighting a war, against his wife's wishes, until HE loses something.

And when he finally realizes that he cannot regain or undo his loss, he only continues to fight a war out of rage.

 

If Kratos in the end, finally lets go of his rage and accepts the past (sheds his ashes), and gives up on trying to fight a war that brings back nothing (the chains fall from his arms), then I'll think of Kratos being sympathetic in the end.

If Kratos doesn't acknowledge or realize his flaw and just blames the gods like he does in the second game though (Like when Kratos said "No" to Athena at the end of the game) then I'll just see Kratos as an unsatsifiable war machine, truly a God of War.



He never cared about becoming the God of War, what he wanted was for Athena to remove the memories of what he had done. She didn't, instead she just used him to save her own city. He wanted revenge on Athena for a her trickery.

EDIT: *The Gods used Kratos to get rid of Ares who was becoming a problem for them and they didn't give him what he asked for in return. 



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Dgc1808 said:

He never cared about becoming the God of War, what he wanted was for Athena to remove the memories of what he had done. She didn't, instead she just used him to save her own city. He wanted revenge on Athena for a her trickery.

EDIT: *The Gods used Kratos to get rid of Ares who was becoming a problem for them and they didn't give him what he asked for in return. 

He definetly had a grudge against the gods, even towards Athena, but I don't think his attack on Rhodes was truly a "revenge" on the gods. He just didn't care a damn about the gods anymore.