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badgenome on 27 October 2009
highwaystar101 said:
I_Heart_Nintendo said:
Things Scientology and most other Religions have in Common:

Recruiting Vulnerable People: Check
Coercing to Pay Money for Salvation: Check
Belief in Fantastical Beings and Historical Happenings: Check
Quick to Judge anyone who Believes Differently: Check
Believers are Not Aware How Ridiculous it Really is: Check

As far as I can see, the future will go 1 of 2 ways:

1: Religion will win out again, and we will experience another dark ages of Religious fanatics destroying everything their respective god does not like (US killing Islamic extremists and vice versa, but 1000x)

2:Common sense will win out, and all Religion will receive this same treatment, and be seen as the Fraud it actually is.

Religion will win out in the end, I think that is inevitable. People will always believe in a religion, regardless of what the religion is. Even when all the current ones die out new ones will replace them that are just as big.

In the end people need religion, people don't need atheism, I think there may be some truth in the saying "Religion is the opiate of the masses".,

I think so, too, to the extent that there will always be people who need to believe in something bigger than themselves and are willing to, in the total absence of supporting evidence (or even in the face of evidence to the contrary), accept things entirely on faith. For a secular person of this sort, "religion" would usually be a political or social cause.



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highwaystar101 on 27 October 2009
ultima said:
highwaystar101 said:

Religion will win out in the end, I think that is inevitable. People will always believe in a religion, regardless of what the religion is. Even when all the current ones die out new ones will replace them that are just as big.

In the end people need religion, people don't need atheism, I think there may be some truth in the saying "Religion is the opiate of the masses".,

I disagree with you. The way I see it, there are way more atheists nowadays than there were in middle ages (this could be due to advances in science, which cancel out the need for a god). It's true that some people will always believe in religion, but you could also say some people will always believe in murder and violence, which would be just as true.

And people definitely don't need religion. What has religion done for us? It is a fact that religion was the cause of many (if not most) arguments and wars throughout history of mankind. It was religion that kept people closed minded and threatened anyone who tried to open up their mind and think. Galileo for example. Imagine how much further we would be now if humanity wasn't dragged down and held back by religion. We could've been at this point in terms of scientific knowledge in nineteenth century...

Atheism wont last, this is just a temporary explosion of Atheists. Let's face it us Atheists will just get hammered into the ground when we get too large. History has shown that suggestions of atheism is not tolerated, people have been burned at the stake for denying God. I can see Atheism losing out. I'm not saying that we will be burned at the stake, that's a little extreme, but we could certainly be ostracised or something.

As for why people need religion, they need it as a source of faith, fulfillment and happiness, people are willing to believe in anything as long as makes them happy. What does Atheism offer to make people happy and fulfilled? Nothing. A personal faith will offer people something that Atheism cannot.

I think that regardless of how the world would benefit without religion it will always exist.



im_sneaky on 27 October 2009

No. Information travels differently now. People are most used to being manipulated. Atheism will continue to grow, until there are more atheists than non-atheists. The religious world is divided, it is weak for us to plunder num num num.



 

 

Kasz216 on 27 October 2009
im_sneaky said:
No. Information travels differently now. People are most used to being manipulated. Atheism will continue to grow, until there are more atheists than non-atheists. The religious world is divided, it is weak for us to plunder num num num.

That reminds me of this for some reason.....

 



Kasz216 on 27 October 2009
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
I thought it was Xenu?

And boy does scientology deserve this. It is simply a money making scheme.

Zatran did it to kill Xenu.  I think...

and we're all Xenu... or something... and we're going to eventually kick Zartrans ass... or something.

I dunno.  It's all like a bad science fiction thing.

Also incedently... the "Dark Ages" weren't as Dark as people originally thought.

Among historians actually the term "Dark Ages" is seen as insulting now.

It's still applicable, i think, if we're just referring to Western Europe (e.g., of the former West Roman Empire). The collapse in order there was complete and rather shocking, at least until the ascent of Charlemagne although the Byzantine Empire flourished, and that was also led up to the heyday of the Muslim World.

Not really.

The only thing that was really that "Dark" was the lack of historical record.

The actual collapse of technology and science really didn't happen as people imagined in europe.

The only use for the term "Dark" agres was to mean there weren't a lot of historical records about them... except there is now more or less.  We know a lot about that era.