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Joelcool7 said:
Farmageddon said:
I doubt it, that would mean Zelda would never see a proper release on a console if they kept it up, for it would always have to be capped by the last console, as TP is capped by GC, I don't think it's a good idea.

Also, I don't expect a new Wii in 2011. What's the reasoning behind that? I mean, it's the best selling console, why would it go for a 4 year life cycle? Because the "gap in graphics" would start to look too big since more people have HD TVs or maybe Microsoft's and Sony's motion controls will be in play? I don't know, but I don't think they're good reasons. Graphics are not a problem today and more HD TVs won't make Wii less appealing when word of mouth is exploding and everyone else but you has a Wii with a big library full of hits and it's really cheap. And motion control, well, they may have the device, but will they get the right software? Enough to top Nintendo's Motion Plus, which should have some really good supporting software, like Zelda?

Alright I'll start the 2011 argument! Using your quotes!

A) The Nintendo Wii launched in the fall of 2006, a five year life cycle would mean the next Nintendo platform is set to launch in fall 2011. Now you say it is the best selling console. That is true to a degree but Sony just overtook it in the monthly charts proving that even Nintendo isn't out of reach of the competition.  Also in many other markets (movies/television/music) the best time to cancell a product and release a new one is at the hieght of that products life. Take Friends for example they cancelled the series at the peak when people said it was doing the best it had ever done. It makes sense for Nintendo to capitalize on its success buy releasing another platform right before sales begin to drop. lets face it the Wii has started to slump (Sales Wise) a price cut and new titles like NewSuperMarioBros couldn't even keep it above Sony.

B) Natal and Sony's wand. Think about this for a second Sony launches its wand next spring, if they cut their consoles price again to say 199.99$ like Nintendo they will be able to obliterate any chance of Nintendo making a recovery. Natal and the Wand both promise to revolutionalize game play on their respective platforms. This will make the consoles more casual and target Nintendo's market share directly. Nintendo will need something new to fend off the competition and I suspect if hardware sales continue to slump and Nintendo continues to loose marketshare then 2011 is more then a reasonable date for Nintendo's next platform!

C) Big library of hits. I sure hope your refering to WiiPlay/WiiFitPlus and WiiSports when your talking about library. Because to be honest Nintendo's hardcore franchises aren't fairing all that better then the competitions. I mean Uncharted managed to ship almost a million copies right out of the gate and thats on a platform with less then half the sales. Take for example Mario Galaxy it still got whipped by Halo3. Then when you talk about third party competition you see that hardcore titles like the Conduit barely sell at all. Word of mouth is only reaching soccer moms who pick up WiiFit!

D) your absolutely right WiiMotionPlus would be great for Legend Of Zelda. However I'm pretty sure Wii2's controller will have WiiMotionPlus built in and play almost identicle to Sony's wand. It would make alot of sense to launch the next generation with a Zelda title. Of course on the flipside it could be used to prolong Wii's sales in the face of a new platform.

 

Obviously you can see I expect WiiHD to launch in the fall of 2011, 2012 at absolute latest!

Sorry, I don't have much time right now for a proper answer, but

A) PS3 Price cut, I'm sure Wii will soon get it's position back. And this is not a TV series. You buy a console and when another one is launched, you either buy a new console or keep playing the old one, wich won't be getting new games, it's a lot different. Also, there are early costs involving technology (even if not as big for Nintendo this gen) to be amortized and the cost and time needed for developing the other generation's hardware. Also, Wii actually got back on it's feet with the price cut, the lineup might propel it nicely, compare it to PS2 curve, I don't think Wii will fall so short as to not be a good idea to keep it until 2012. They can still further cut the price, are yet to introduce players choice, etc.

B) They may get hardware, but I don't think they'll have the software to eat on "Nintendo's market" that much. They might have, but most likely won't, so I don't think it'll be that relevant.

 

C) I mean big library of hits. Period :P

2010 is getting strong support and 2011 should too. Wathever kind of gamer you are, there will be plenty of great games. Add a players choice line and a further cut in the console price, and the Wii package will have just too much value to be ignored. You may argue the competition could do that too. well, maybe not as much, but sure they could. It still doesn't really matter, the value itself will be enough to sell to anyone who's into games or any casual, expect bundles if needed, too.

D) Will be great :P. It's kind of confirmed, isn't it?

But the point is, Wii would go it's entire cycle without a proper Zelda for it. I don't think it's gonna happen, really. When they announced Twilight Princess it did take long for it to be realeased and if you expect the same kind of delay between first trailer and release, then it wouldn't be on Wii, sure. But Nintendo's announcing thing a lot closer to realease these days, just look at NSMB Wii. There's no reason to think this Zelda would take as long. A killer Zelda at late-but-not-so-late Wii life is perfect to keep it going and catch all the rest of the "core" who don't yet won a Wii (specially combined with Metri other M and things like that, and in the event of another price cut later on). Having Zelda on launch is great, but everyone who cares all that much about Zelda knows there'll be a Zelda just as much as there'll be a Mario.



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So Reggie announced that probably Zelda Wii is not going to be ready until at least 2011., why do you think now guys? The more and more they delay Zelda, the more probabilities it has to be a launch title for the next Nintendo console.



I disagree. It will be on this wii and i think it will come end of 2010..i mean nsmbwii wasn't even announced before e3 and now its already almost out...that might happen with zelda...



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This Zelda is going to be exclusively on the Wii because The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess was also on Gamecube. Wii needs it's own Zelda.



Zelda is in development since 2006, before Zelda TP and the Wii came out. It's difficult to see it before 2011, even Reggie said that, and could be a launch title for the next console if it launches in 2011. But will surely also come out on Wii, you can mark my words.



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It is not the same to make a 3D Zelda game than making a 2D Mario game. New Super Mario Bros Wii may have taken to Nintendo one year and a half of development more or less, that is the reason why they hadn't showed the game before. This Zelda is going to have a development of about 4-5 years.

And one more thing: Nintendo do not care if Wii 'needs' its own Zelda game just like we do, they only care about $.



dunno001 said:

A) The Nintendo Wii launched in the fall of 2006, a five year life cycle would mean the next Nintendo platform is set to launch in fall 2011. Now you say it is the best selling console. That is true to a degree but Sony just overtook it in the monthly charts proving that even Nintendo isn't out of reach of the competition.  Also in many other markets (movies/television/music) the best time to cancell a product and release a new one is at the hieght of that products life. Take Friends for example they cancelled the series at the peak when people said it was doing the best it had ever done. It makes sense for Nintendo to capitalize on its success buy releasing another platform right before sales begin to drop. lets face it the Wii has started to slump (Sales Wise) a price cut and new titles like NewSuperMarioBros couldn't even keep it above Sony.

First of all, I don't see the 5 year cycle being an absolute. All 3 of the companies have stated that this will be a longer generation than the prior ones. I don't think any of them are in a rush to get their next system out right now; Sony would have too much to lose (face of the 10-year plan, nowhere near break-even on PS3), Microsoft is planning a 360 relaunch with Natal, and Nintendo has their most successful console ever, and won't want to kill the momentum. As for Sony overtaking Nintendo, yeah, that was for 1 month, and only barely. How many months would it take at that rate to catch up? (Hint- at 25,000 a month, it's about 100 years.) And the more recent weeks have Nintendo back ahead of Sony. And titles like NSMBWii not helping? Well, given that it's not out yet, I don't think it has had much of a chance to help yet!

B) Natal and Sony's wand. Think about this for a second Sony launches its wand next spring, if they cut their consoles price again to say 199.99$ like Nintendo they will be able to obliterate any chance of Nintendo making a recovery. Natal and the Wand both promise to revolutionalize game play on their respective platforms. This will make the consoles more casual and target Nintendo's market share directly. Nintendo will need something new to fend off the competition and I suspect if hardware sales continue to slump and Nintendo continues to loose marketshare then 2011 is more then a reasonable date for Nintendo's next platform!

Well, first of all, you make the assumption that Nintendo will not do anything. That's foolish. And I don't see Sony being able to afford yet another $100 price drop that soon. Yes, Sony has forecast a large net loss for the year, and I think this past price cut was a large part of it. Try explaining to your stockholders that in order to remain relevant, you have to keep taking bigger and bigger losses. Oh yeah, and that price doesn't include the wands, that'll cost more. And as it is not packed in with the system, history shows that support for it will be minimal. (Going back to the NES shows more failed accessories than I care to count. I'm truthfully surprised at the success of the Wii Balance Board.) Not to mention that all the games that people are buying the Wii for are still there. As for Microsoft, in theory, they could try to undercut Nintendo's market, but their goal seems to be more squashing Sony. Should MS succeed there, they know that the market can easily support 2 home consoles. This is the first generation in which 3 have really been supported well, and bringing it back to 2 reduces the ways that your income is split up. But even still, MS also has shareholders to answer to. As they're finally showing yearly profit, I think they'd like to keep things that way. I do see a 360/Natal set at near or just below cost, but that won't be $200. I predict a natal 360 with HDD for $299.99 when it releases.

C) Big library of hits. I sure hope your refering to WiiPlay/WiiFitPlus and WiiSports when your talking about library. Because to be honest Nintendo's hardcore franchises aren't fairing all that better then the competitions. I mean Uncharted managed to ship almost a million copies right out of the gate and thats on a platform with less then half the sales. Take for example Mario Galaxy it still got whipped by Halo3. Then when you talk about third party competition you see that hardcore titles like the Conduit barely sell at all. Word of mouth is only reaching soccer moms who pick up WiiFit!

Hmm... well, using VGChartz data, there are 111 games that have broken 5,000,000. (multi-million sellers) 10 are Wii, 1 is PS3, and 6 are 360. If you just want 1 million as your plateau, yes, the 360 has 71 over it versus the Wii's 58. Given the extra year of the 360 in the marketplace, there are still more titles on average breaking 1 million on the Wii yearly than the 360. I'd say that games are fairing just as well on the Wii. Oh, and yes, Galaxy is losing in sales to Halo 3. However, it's kinda sad when you need to use the best selling 360 game versus the 6th best selling one on Wii. But I will also mention that Halo 3 is the ONLY 360 game to outsell Galaxy.

this post is the best i have ever seen on vgchartz..hell i don't see one thnig i can disagree with....i like that abt the fact that u brought up that only halo 3 managed to ut sell wii galaxy whch is not even its best selling.....



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