Did you even READ my previous post?

How could you expect such a BAD game to sell more? Are Wii gamers supposed to buy anything at any price?

600k is already a miracle for such a poor effort, and the people who bought this may have thought "Well, Wii is a poor console, i won't buy that sort of games anymore": it's THAT kind of games that gave Wii a bad name, and i'm sure it needed between 100k-200k to make profits, so it wasn't even a flop... use good examples if you want to be taken seriously, please... or else, there's no point in this discussion...

Oh for God's sake take those fanboy glasses off! You're actually comparing a crappy on-rails spinoff with DQ Joker? Monsters spin-off has been around for years and had multiple portable iterations. And whoah double standards! You keep talking about the Wii's userbase and then go around comparing its games with DS and PS2 ones, both having a 20m+ userbase in Japan!!!

And I'm not trying to convince you, I thought we were having a conversation here. And where were you when developers kept saying PS3 is too hard to develop for? You quoted this stupid statement just to say "see, we told you, only casual Mario Kart Fit games sells on teh Wii"...

Fanboy glasses? I've never even played the game I'm comparing sales to sales of other games in the franchise because the sales of Swords was mentioned as a 3rd party success on the Wii. Did I mention the quality of the game? By the way if you actually read the post you would see I mentioned the suerbase  difference. Stop making stuff up and stop taking it too personally, unless you own a part in Nintendo you shouldn't be freaking out.

I think anyone that was unaware of his agenda before should be pretty clear on it now when he compares the sales of a Dragon Quest spinoff to the main series.

And a spinoff on the DS, don't forget! I think your agenda's been clear for years on this site.

I mentioned it was a spin off and the smaller userbase but three people have mentioned it back to me now, do you read my posts?

Just to point out spin-offs and remakes can outsell the original games:

In Japan, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite outsold Monster Hunter Freedom 3.5 to 1 even though it was a remake of that game. In fact, Monster Hunter on PSP started as a spinoff to the Monster Hunter series on PS2 and I think we all know which games have sold better console vs. portable.

Monster Hunter Freedom sales in Japan: 1.03 million

Monster Hunter Freedom Unite: 3.52 million

Console Monster Hunter (original series) versus portable spin-offs:

Monster Hunter: 280,000 sold (released on PS2 21 September 2004)

Monster Hunter G: 230,000 sold (released on PS2 20th January 2005)

Monster Hunter 2: 630,000 sold (released on PS2 16th February 2006)

Monster Hunter Tri: 930,000 sold (released on Wii 1st August 2009)

Monster Hunter Freedom: 1.03 million sold (released on PSP 1st December 2005)

Monster Hunter Freedom 2: 2.39 million sold (released on PSP 22nd February 2007)

Monster Hunter Freedom Unite: 3.52 million sold (released on PSP 27th March 2008) This version is close to Outselling the Wii version in 2009 even though it was released in early 2008.

Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee for PSP has almost sold equal to the PS2 Hot Shots Golf Fore! worldwide even though the PSP version came out very early in the PSP's life when the userbase was tiny compared to the PS2 one everywhere.

It seems that I'm the only one actually using sales numbers in a debate about sales while you are resorting to name calling and other things unrelated to the question at hand.

You should probably apply your sig to yourself and stop trolling the thread.

PSP Monster Hunter games are not spin-offs. Have you even touched the cover? And answer honestly here, watch some trailers or gameplay videos of DQS and then tell me : do you actually think this kind of crap can outsell the main series?

Being really awesome isn't an agenda. It's a lifestyle choice.

Do you read your own posts? If you had we probably wouldn't have been subjected to 4 pages of your nonsense.

Those aren't spinoffs or remakes, they're ports. You don't even have a point.

I'm not sure if it's possible to troll a troll thread.

Again no sales numbers just opinions. Monster Hunter started on the PS2 where it did not do so good then on PSP it did great. As for Hot Shots, the game did great early on in the PSP's life and neither of the games are ports.

Monster Hunter games are not ports and both have many additional features and one is a remake of another game on the PSP, even if they were ports it proves my point even more if a simple port sells better than an original version then it indicates that spin-offs and remakes can do the same or better.

Once again, Monster Hunter Freedom is based on a mix of Monster Hunter and Monster Hunter G, it mixes elements from both and adds its own elements. If you do not consider it a spin-off (which it is) then it is a remake not a port.

Monster Hunter Freedom 2 is based on Monster Hunter Two and is not a port, by the way port/remale/spin-off no matter what you call them they both sold better than the direct sequel on the Wii.

Freedom Unite is a remake of Freedom 2 with added parts.

You haven't played the games I'm guessing or looked them up because they have what the console games had and more improvements and additions.

The Hot Shots Golf game is a portable spin-off if you might think it's a port because the differences between games are in small steps, but it is a game that was made for the PSP with features from previous games and new extras, features, unlocking characters and 8 player multiplayer. That doesn't sound like a port with that many features added.

I cannot speak to quality of a game I haven't played so I'll trust the judgments of the people who have played it in that regard, still a spin-off selling better than the main series isn't that crazy as some would think.

Come on, man. Why not mention all the other DQ spinoffs that have sold worse than DQS? There are plenty to pick from, including one from the PSP, PS2, and DS. Proof of 3rd party troubles? Or, is it just the fault of the damn games? In fact, the only DQ games that beat DQS are the main series / remakes and the DQM games.

As for remakes outselling bad spinoffs, it happens more often than not. Take a good look at the Final Fantasy sales on the DS. The remakes outsell all of the spinoffs.

Also, I still don't understand why 3rd parties are singled out, as if Nintendo has the owners under some sort of hypnosis. Popular IP's will sell well, regardless of who makes it, which is why RE and Sonic easily break a million, GH sells tons, and why MH3 did great in Japan (higher than the top PS3 title). The situation was exactly the same with the DS, but everyone has conveniently forgotten about it.