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kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

You are coming across as a bit of a dictator.

Freedom of speech is THE cornerstone of our society... people can SAY and WRITE anything they want. It is only actions that need control IMO.

of course, but when you start inciting hatred, one has to at least question whether thats acceptable



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zuvuyeay said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kamal said:
Wow Labour and Nick Griffin are just getting slaughtered.

Keep laughing at him saying "indigenous people"

as Bonnie Greer pointed out, techically all Humans are idigenous to africa...


yes....but also europe and britain is native white......whats wrong with saying that....

define native?

how far do you go back? why so far for some things, but not so far for others?



kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

I thought that justification was ridiculous actually, student union nonsense.

To deny there is a major issue to be addressed with immigration is daft and blind. The black guy in the suit just asked a very good question. The point needs to be addressed, not glossed over simply because it is a taboo subject.

The problem with immigration is that many unskilled immigrants come to our country through unfortunate circumstances such as poverty and war. These people cannot contribute to the country very easily due to their situation. This is unfortunate, but it takes up a large portion of immigrants.

A closed door system wouldn't work, it would be absurd. The solution imo would be to screen an immigrants motivation and potential contribution. EU migrant workers are totally fine, because they come here solely to work and contribute and it's beneficial to our economy to allow them to do so. From a more international view a person should be judged on what they can contribute, allowing them to immigrate over here for skilled labour, relationships or education. A lot of immigrants come here though through unfortunate circumstances like poverty, but it is necessary to just be tough and say "We sympathise with you, but we can't help you all" and tell them they can't come here.

That's just my view though, a more stringent screening process based on what they can offer us as opposed to what we can offer them. The good thing about this system is that race is not a factor and so it is fair and balanced.



What an entertaining hour of tv! I agree that the BBC should allow the BNP on the show, they have MEPs and so, as much as I hate them, it's ridiculous to simply ignore them. I think Nick Griffin was shown for what he really was tonight. He articulated well when he began his answers to topics he knew would come but when he was asked about the details of his policies/ideas he had nothing to say and could only manage a wry smile. I have to give Jack Straw credit when Griffen claimed he was banned from explaining his holocaust views by law so Straw said "I'm the Justice secretary, you can say what you like and you won't be prosectuted!" Bonnie Greer was also funny and highlighted the utterly ridiculous idea held by Griffin when referring to indigenous Britains.

EDIT: My bad, just checked the figures and their vote increased by 1.3% in the last European election. However, I still think that if they can only manage such a small increase during a major recession and at a time when the publics confidence in MPs is at an extreme low (expenses scandal ect) then they really aren't doing very well at all and I don't think they are likely to be any sort mainstream threat in the near future.



highwaystar101 said:
kowenicki said:
@scifiboy

I thought that justification was ridiculous actually, student union nonsense.

To deny there is a major issue to be addressed with immigration is daft and blind. The black guy in the suit just asked a very good question. The point needs to be addressed, not glossed over simply because it is a taboo subject.

The problem with immigration is that many unskilled immigrants come to our country through unfortunate circumstances such as poverty and war. These people cannot contribute to the country very easily due to their situation. This is unfortunate, but it takes up a large portion of immigrants.

A closed door system wouldn't work, it would be absurd. The solution imo would be to screen an immigrants motivation and potential contribution. EU migrant workers are totally fine, because they come here solely to work and contribute and it's beneficial to our economy to allow them to do so. From a more international view a person should be judged on what they can contribute, allowing them to immigrate over here for skilled labour, relationships or education. A lot of immigrants come here though through unfortunate circumstances like poverty, but it is necessary to just be tough and say "We sympathise with you, but we can't help you all" and tell them they can't come here.

That's just my view though, a more stringent screening process based on what they can offer us as opposed to what we can offer them. The good thing about this system is that race is not a factor and so it is fair and balanced.

and where do the asylum seekers go?

back to there country of origin? to be raped or mudered?

im not disagreeing entirely, im simply asking what you think we do with people who dont meet our "criteria"



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SciFiBoy said:
zuvuyeay said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kamal said:
Wow Labour and Nick Griffin are just getting slaughtered.

Keep laughing at him saying "indigenous people"

as Bonnie Greer pointed out, techically all Humans are idigenous to africa...


yes....but also europe and britain is native white......whats wrong with saying that....

define native?

how far do you go back? why so far for some things, but not so far for others?

aren't  whites native to europe....?



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zuvuyeay said:
SciFiBoy said:
zuvuyeay said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kamal said:
Wow Labour and Nick Griffin are just getting slaughtered.

Keep laughing at him saying "indigenous people"

as Bonnie Greer pointed out, techically all Humans are idigenous to africa...


yes....but also europe and britain is native white......whats wrong with saying that....

define native?

how far do you go back? why so far for some things, but not so far for others?

aren't  whites native to europe....?

arent humans native to earth?

isnt race irrelevant, were all human?



Well, obvously despite what happened or what could have happened BNPs support will obviously grow. Protest vote against immigration or not its going to happen.

I hate the way he uses indigenous.

Thats where he goes over the line. Also wtf is all this about him evicting existing ethnic minorities SciFiBoy?

He even stated he would prevent immigration into this country, he wouldnt deport unless the immigrants are criminals or illegally here. Fair enough.


He still needs to curb most of his views before he could ever get my support, but he will have gained alot after that.

An early christmas present was the correct phrase.



I am offended my exsisting politicians in government but i don't complain at them on question time....he had a 944,000 people right to be there....



FootballFan said:
Well, obvously despite what happened or what could have happened BNPs support will obviously grow. Protest vote against immigration or not its going to happen.

I hate the way he uses indigenous.

Thats where he goes over the line. Also wtf is all this about him evicting existing ethnic minorities SciFiBoy?

He even stated he would prevent immigration into this country, he wouldnt deport unless the immigrants are criminals or illegally here. Fair enough.


He still needs to curb most of his views before he could ever get my support, but he will have gained alot after that.

An early christmas present was the correct phrase.


thats what theyre constitution apparently says, at least according to what ive seen in the media, but I may have been mistaken on that one

like i said, stopping immigration completley is stupid