How does used game have any competition outside of "this disc is a little less scratch," what are these potential bonuses? If I get a used copy of a game I will get all my DLC and everything that comes out for it. Only the fact the physical copy could be in worse condition is the only true competition. Same with piracy, I can either pirate the game or get the actual game for the same exact bonuses. Piracy also competes with the original jsut as much as the used version.

Yes and theoretically 1 used copy could be resold a million times thus preventing the publisher from that money of the million sales. Theoretically of course., not realistically. I also just told you that Used games are jsut a lower magnitude of piracy so I don't know why we are arguing there. On the grand scale at least. While I leave one less copy to be had, I can re-introduce it to the market by selling it used. In the end the publisher sees no money from it.

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Vlad- now I'm actually surprised because there is a very strong argument for the case of Used games being even worse than pirating. Actually something you said to disagree with... and that is how many people it can affect. Piracy is pretty big right now but it will never be mainstream enough to get the mainstream involved in it. Aren't going to see mom and pop downloading games through torrents and whatnot. But used games are sold in stores where they buy the new games. They aren't going to see the moral difference and thus used games can be largely mainstream where EVERY gamer does it... something piracy could never achieve. Even more so as Best Buy and Toys R Us are looking to enter the used game market.

This is actually the argument publishers are using that even though piracy hurts the affects of used games will hurt even worse given the mainstream appeal ability they have. That is why I still consider used games to be a very very close problem to that of piracy. Just the deal is that piracy is immoral and illegal while used games are protected by the system and against rights to take it away. Meaning you got to find another way to fight it.

For that matter, I pirate my books, too. 

I see piracy as the worst since it's increasing the copies of the game out there without the creators getting anything for it except for some first copy. Witch leads to many not buying the game.

I'm not sure how vlad321 can thing that selling a use game is worse than piracy. If I see my copy of the game I can't play it anymore while now someone else can. Although the developer get's nothing from later sales they got something from it. How is it greedy to sell something I'm not using? I've sold off many games I won't play again so I could buy more games. Games that have more replay value I hold onto longer. The second hand market is good for the industry because it will encourage game developers to makes games with more value be it multiplayer or more of a replay value or just a longer game. Now if I were keeping the game's software and just selling the disc that would be up there with piracy.

Not? I see non-gamers, even old people, downloading stuff from torrents, and teenager girls playing on cracked MMO servers.  I don't think that I ever saw legally purchased software, except the ones I got with a magazine.

Of course, I live in Eastern Europe, so it is probably a cultural thing, but it is something that people CAN learn.

Thank you for seeing the point however the problem is that pirating is starting to become very mainstream overseas. My gf's mother downloads shows and movies  all the time and she is VERY old.

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The point is you play the game and the developers see none of the money. I doub they give a damn whether you keep the copy afterwards or not, you still played the game and they saw nothing for their labors. Also here are ways to add incentives against pirating to software. Again, look at Blizzard and Valve, they had some damn fine way "multiplayer." Just because you keep it or not doesn't mean anything to the developer.

Ok I can accept that you see it that way. Its a lower magnitude of Piracy.
Even if the term is wrong because the definition is a different one.

But that would be the same with everything else especially Music or Books.

If you see the whole second Hand market as bad Its ok but why just Video Games.

I can understand your Opinion but everything what is reselled (if its offering a similar value) hurts the Companies everything. And would be a kind of "Piracy"

Because people on this site are very whiny and bitchy about piracy yet they feel just fine by getting used games. I want them to realize they are no better than a damn pirate and to stop off their high chair.

Ok thats what I said on the beginning if you dont reduce it to just Games its pefectly ok because now it makes sense.