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Forums - Gaming - The reality of DVD vs Blu Ray vs Digital Distibution. As of October 20 2009

damndl0ser on 22 October 2009
joeorc said:
selnor said:
Homeroids said:
I can see it's covered but when I saw the link in the OP I thought, hey, where's the source. So I checked the Web and it just doesn't add up. BD is actually doing quite well.

"In the first half of 2009, sales of Blu-ray discs rose 91 percent, while Blu-ray hardware sales grew nearly 25 percent and surpassed two million units, according to DEG."

http://www.cepro.com/article/blu_ray_sales_up_83_in_2009/

There is a problem with the net having drastically different numbers all over for BluRay. All hardware reports dont include 360 as a dvd player but do include PS3 as a bluray player.

Some BluRay disc sales include blank recordable discs others dont. The DEG for this year is just BluRay Movie sales. So these figures in the OP are correct for movie sales across the 3 mediums.

There is another site called BluRay stats which only base it's figures off of top 20. Where BluRay is currently 8%. But agian doen't include the whole range.

while i respect you 

Blu-Ray will not be gone with the IDEA that digital download's will be taking over.

the simple truth to the matter.

the IDEA that the majority of the people would throw away their physical collection of DVD's and go all digital is not going to ever happen in any near future. why because most people who buy movies have bought so many and the collection is so large that it would be deemed a waste of money. Thus many people are set in their way's of DVD.

Music is not the same as Movies when it come's to Digital Downloads. watching movies on the go is nice but for a majority of the people it's not even realistic, that's is also one of the reason's why UMD did not do as well. many people do not see the any real advantage of that because to be blunt there's more important things to do than watch a movie on the go.

if you want to talk about digital download player's for Car's?

physical media is trusted because there is less problem's, for many people

one only has to look at what happened recently with T-moble and Microsoft server's for the sidekick to see Many People do not trust Digital Downloads.

the fact that all Blu-Ray player's and optical drive's still play DVD's mean's that Blu-Ray is not going to fade into the night, Blu-ray is not

laser disk

its not

beta max

its not

UMD

Blu-Ray

has 13 of the largest CE optical drive companies that produce the drive's which is pretty much the entire industry, they have been backing the Blu-Ray format since 2002, in its development and evolution. the consumer has weight when it come's to purchase that is true. but also the other truth is the consumer can only buy what's put out on the market also. so if the large companies all decided on a format For HD

WHICH THEY HAVE

AND THAT IS Blu-Ray

then its not going away as long as they keep support, and have you seen any of these large companies that have dropped support for

Blu-Ray?

but ask how many have put greater investment into digital download's , which they have not.

it's very simple in order for Blu-Ray to go away DVD would have to stop selling, and the Majority of people would have to drop DVD and go with DIGITAL DOWNLOAD'S

its most likely never going to happen because many people collect thing's and collector's view digital downloads as valueless

vs' a physical media.

Your right, most people will refuse to give up on the dvd's that they already own.  I love DD but I have a large collection of dvd movies that I will never give up on.  That doesn't mean that DD will not compliment those.

I don't think people are going to completely give up on dvd's or some form of physical storage for movies (for a very long time).  But what I see happening is that digital downloads are going to make it much easier for a person to watch what they want to watch WHEN they want to watch it.  Gradually after these people get accustomed to this change they will eventually not feel the need to go out and make physical purchases.  Of course it will take a long time.   Not to mention people will still have the need to give physical media as gifts for Christmas and the like.



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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 22 October 2009
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

But your posts, one in particular, after the OP were doom and gloom about blu-ray and then it was shown that you yourself were misreading the facts.

I think it's in your agenda to talk negatively about blu-ray.  But marketshare is growing quickly, and check the display aisles: it's not going away.  As for the agenda of others: well, Sony does DD too through PSN, and further Sony's studio makes money every time one of its movies is downloaded via DD, and Sony studios is often the top grossing movie studio out of all of them.   Why then would others have an agenda?



justinian on 22 October 2009
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

If BR marketshare was 0.1% I wouldn't give a shit.

It's people that start flame threads like these with bullshit or misplaced "facts" that annoys me. ..well, kind of annoy me.

Even if they change their angle of attack to its percentage share to cover their original intention..

But hey, I am already over it.

 



selnor on 22 October 2009
justinian said:
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

If BR marketshare was 0.1% I wouldn't give a shit.

It's people that start flame threads like these with bullshit or misplaced "facts" that annoys me. ..well, kind of annoy me.

Even if they change their angle of attack to its percentage share to cover their original intention..

But hey, I am already over it.

 

I haventchanged anything!

I pasted the article. Afterall isn't marketshare the adoption rate of a medium?



joeorc on 22 October 2009
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

it's not that its the fact that you are trying your best to put FUD into the viability of Blu-Ray's future when its straight forward that it's what the entire industry of CE companies has decided on.

its like when BETA was not picked over VHS

this time Blu-Ray was picked over HD DVD

now the same FUD about Blu-Ray surviving against Digital Downloads is all the rage ...same story just another format

same agenda, just another face.

Microsoft's Windows supports Blu-Ray in PC's

Blu-Ray is not going away



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damndl0ser on 22 October 2009
joeorc said:
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

it's not that its the fact that you are trying your best to put FUD into the viability of Blu-Ray's future when its straight forward that it's what the entire industry of CE companies has decided on.

its like when BETA was not picked over VHS

this time Blu-Ray was picked over HD DVD

now the same FUD about Blu-Ray surviving against Digital Downloads is all the rage ...same story just another format

same agenda, just another face.

Microsoft's Windows supports Blu-Ray in PC's

Blu-Ray is not going away

I don't think Blu-Ray is going anywhere either.  I think the point of this thread is that it probably will not see the success that DVD has.  

 

IMHO Blu-Ray will probably be very successful, however it will probably be the last format for physical media.   This is actually a good thing for Blu-Ray, that means that Blu-Ray will be around for longer than it probably would have.



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

Garnett on 22 October 2009

Selnor is right lol, 360 sales should count as DVD sales.

 



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whatever on 22 October 2009

I'll never buy a standard DVD again and I don't do DD as the quality is just not there yet. Plus I don't have the disc space.

This holiday season will be huge for blu-ray, then selnor will need to find something else to spin.



damndl0ser on 22 October 2009
whatever said:
I'll never buy a standard DVD again and I don't do DD as the quality is just not there yet. Plus I don't have the disc space.

This holiday season will be huge for blu-ray, then selnor will need to find something else to spin.

????????????

 

We aren't talking about streaming video here.  The quality of Digital Downloads is atleast as good as regular DVD's.  LOL....



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

joeorc on 22 October 2009
damndl0ser said:
joeorc said:
selnor said:
justinian said:
@selnor

You would grab at any straw to make anything not MS or x360 look bad.

The truth is BR sales were up 91% the first half of this year.

Threads like these can be defined by some as ... it doesn't matter.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

Wy do people hate news when it's against their agenda. Yes it was up then and is up now. But 66% in the last 6 months. Thats a fact. It's also a fact that marketshare is 4%. Why does that bother you. It's a factual OP. Get over it. If you enjoy it continue to enjoy it.

it's not that its the fact that you are trying your best to put FUD into the viability of Blu-Ray's future when its straight forward that it's what the entire industry of CE companies has decided on.

its like when BETA was not picked over VHS

this time Blu-Ray was picked over HD DVD

now the same FUD about Blu-Ray surviving against Digital Downloads is all the rage ...same story just another format

same agenda, just another face.

Microsoft's Windows supports Blu-Ray in PC's

Blu-Ray is not going away

I don't think Blu-Ray is going anywhere either.  I think the point of this thread is that it probably will not see the success that DVD has.  

 

IMHO Blu-Ray will probably be very successful, however it will probably be the last format for physical media.   This is actually a good thing for Blu-Ray, that means that Blu-Ray will be around for longer than it probably would have.

as long as the cloud computing need's a way to store data physical media is not going away...many will say, flash storage, solid state

which can be used but optical disc's are cheaper per/ GB. AND WILL REMAIN SO

like i stated there is a reason why Digital Downloads are great for Music, but not so much for movies.

the idea is Music is great for on the go. many people would agree with that

the Idea is Movies is great for on the go. many people would disagree mainly due to most of the time on the go is taken up by work, or school,shopping etc. thing's that music is geared for, but movies not so much.

the reason why digital downloads for music is quite big is because its handy and CD player's are bulky

if you want movies , you can use laptop's but many people prefer TV's which bring's it back to HOME viewing

which the majority of market is physical media because since the CREATION OF THE CD the optical disc in that format is trusted, people know it works. many consumer's do not even know you can turn a laptop into a TV with a USB TV turner. many consumer's view digital downloads as Valueless. that's the main problem

they view digital downloads hold no after market value. 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.