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Final-Fan on 29 October 2009

A good idea for morale maybe. Really the accounting could be nightmarish and it would allow dumb stuff like "NOTHING for the IRS!!!!1" The obvious solution would be to let the "undedicated" money go to fill in the gaps of whatever people don't say, making the whole thing fairly meaningless except as an empty gesture.



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Kasz216 on 29 October 2009
Final-Fan said:
A good idea for morale maybe. Really the accounting could be nightmarish and it would allow dumb stuff like "NOTHING for the IRS!!!!1" The obvious solution would be to let the "undedicated" money go to fill in the gaps of whatever people don't say, making the whole thing fairly meaningless except as an empty gesture.

Not completely so.  If taxes worked like that you couldn't deficit spend anymore.

Also, if stuff like the IRS got no funding... wouldn't that mean the IRS shouldn't exist?  Without funding for the IRS the government sure would have to change the current insane tax laws to something more simple... that's for sure.



Final-Fan on 29 October 2009
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
A good idea for morale maybe. Really the accounting could be nightmarish and it would allow dumb stuff like "NOTHING for the IRS!!!!1" The obvious solution would be to let the "undedicated" money go to fill in the gaps of whatever people don't say, making the whole thing fairly meaningless except as an empty gesture.

Not completely so.  If taxes worked like that you couldn't deficit spend anymore.

Also, if stuff like the IRS got no funding... wouldn't that mean the IRS shouldn't exist?  Without funding for the IRS the government sure would have to change the current insane tax laws to something more simple... that's for sure.

OK, so what if a whole lot of people decided that the only part of government they approved of was the Department of the Interior?  They are pacifists (no DoD), homeschoolers (no DoE), etc.  [edit: maybe a bad example since several people think the DoE should really be gone, but you get my idea.]

And if the IRS didn't exist there would be epic tax fraud; I hate when people say "if we did __ we wouldn't need the IRS" because it's not true.  Unless "__" is making the tax system into voluntary donations. 



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c03n3nj0 on 29 October 2009

Bah, my country is going where I don't want it to. >_>



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c03n3nj0 on 29 October 2009

And why the hell did it say meat-eating is frowned upon? Damned country. >_>



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monkeyman40210 on 29 October 2009

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Kasz216 on 29 October 2009
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
A good idea for morale maybe. Really the accounting could be nightmarish and it would allow dumb stuff like "NOTHING for the IRS!!!!1" The obvious solution would be to let the "undedicated" money go to fill in the gaps of whatever people don't say, making the whole thing fairly meaningless except as an empty gesture.

Not completely so.  If taxes worked like that you couldn't deficit spend anymore.

Also, if stuff like the IRS got no funding... wouldn't that mean the IRS shouldn't exist?  Without funding for the IRS the government sure would have to change the current insane tax laws to something more simple... that's for sure.

OK, so what if a whole lot of people decided that the only part of government they approved of was the Department of the Interior?  They are pacifists (no DoD), homeschoolers (no DoE), etc.  [edit: maybe a bad example since several people think the DoE should really be gone, but you get my idea.]

And if the IRS didn't exist there would be epic tax fraud; I hate when people say "if we did __ we wouldn't need the IRS" because it's not true.  Unless "__" is making the tax system into voluntary donations. 

Exactly.  It's why tax law would have to change FAST... because the IRS wouldn't be able to be funded.  You would need to make it a smaller more efficent system that was tied to some other form of govrnment.

Also, i don't really see your argument here.

If the majority of the people in the country are pacifists and don't support the DoD we shouldn't have a DoD.

If the majority of people in the country don't support the DoE we shouldn't have that either.

I imagine the government would have plenty of "run-off surplus" to keep on lifesupport things they think are vital but have to make a case to the american people that we need.



Final-Fan on 29 October 2009

So ... we'd get rid of the IRS and replace it with something else to do the same job? Unless you're saying that we would move to a system without tax collection enforcement.



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c03n3nj0 on 29 October 2009

hard choice. I just had to choose what to do with airplane hijaking. Chose to put cops on them, but, that seems like it would suck to fly. Or should I just go or option 2 and let the private guards be themselves and what what they're already doing?



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Kasz216 on 29 October 2009
Final-Fan said:
So ... we'd get rid of the IRS and replace it with something else to do the same job? Unless you're saying that we would move to a system without tax collection enforcement.

No, you'd move to a system with a more streamlined more simple tax collection agency that requires little tax collection enforcement to the point of where it was part of another government.  You'd simplfy the tax code to where it doesn't take that many people to enforce taxation and isn't worth being it's own department.


The real problem wouldn't be this so much as finding a ballot big enough...

 

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml

 

Either that or do nothing and let people see what happens for a year or two without an IRS and the same tax code.