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taomaster06 on 20 October 2009
yushire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
yushire said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
yushire said:
taomaster06 said:

I will say that there has been lack of quality software lately and not many developers have turly embraced unique control schem of the wii just yet. i would love to see a good FPS on the wii. there have been a couple but nothng to brag about.

and out talking about the next gen system, right now its just talk of course they are working on it already probably a few years in development by now but it wont be released ultil late 2011 at the earliest.

 

 

But there are too much talks about it already. thats the point... I think Ninty will announce a new console in E3 2011 at the earliest and we didnt seen any quality FPS and RTS or even TPS in the system so far. And to think its the Wii's strongest points. But then, its not that the core gamers that Nintendo is catering to right now anyway...

 

I think Nintendo release a new console not because of the old core gamers like us but because of the saturation of the casual gamers this gen. The more months had passed the more the casual gamers becoming core gamers.

No, and no, as I pointed out, Nintendo will wait until after Sony and MS to announce, why?  Because they are in the lead and are selling the most consoles and have no reason to launch first, secondly why shpuld Nintendo cater to every genre, why aren't third parties catering to those genres on the Wii?  Why is Nintendo to blame for third party failures?

 

 

 

As if Ninty even in the NES days gives sh*t to third parties. Theres a reason for black box games on the NES you know. I predicted this that third parties will croack next year(I posted that in 2008) seems happening right now. And I did say that if third parties wont act together there'll be a video game crash and when they realized it its too late.(Its in my sig) its happening in Japan right now. And Nintendo gives a damn? NO.

 

 

Anyway, Nintendo will definitely making a FPS, RTS and TPS on their new console but even many Nintendo fanboys will be disappointed in the current line up on the Wii right now and they stop playing on the Wii and switch to PS360. Not realizing what good things that will come ahead. Thats disruption do its not abnormal its natural...

 

 

Why should Nintendo give much to third parties, its business, if third parties can't hack it, then they go under, Nintendo gave them a great opportunity with the Wii, and instead, third parties, scurried off to the HD consoles, now many are in trouble, while Nintendo is swimming in cash, even in this slow period for the Wii, they are making tons of profits and will be safe even if the rest of the industry goes under.

Even if some of the core gamers, rush over to the PS360, the fact is, Nintendo has reached a much wider audience, and even on this board, you see the majority of people own a Wii, even if they may not like it as their primary console, so its not like Nintendo is in trouble, in fact far from it, its other companies that are in trouble, while Nintendo is riding high

 

 

 

proving more that Ninty dont give a damn. As if we should care or Nintendo should care. What third parties did in this generation was just milking the proven franchise and stomp it on the ground. Bet on wrong consoles and makes shovelwares in any system(not only on the Wii). Now third parties suffer the consequence.

 

 

I wonder when will the next video game crash begin? Well thats harsh I mean video game  implosion. I want the new genration(casuals to you) to reign in the new generation of gaming.

i agree with both of yall on this. The wii is selling so well because of its price point and originality. But now MS and Sony have both lowered the price and are about to launch motion control. so the deciding factor for people when they go to buy the systems will be the games. And in order for any system to sell 3rd part support has to be there. Flagship franchises can only carry you so far.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 21 October 2009
taomaster06 said:
yushire said:

proving more that Ninty dont give a damn. As if we should care or Nintendo should care. What third parties did in this generation was just milking the proven franchise and stomp it on the ground. Bet on wrong consoles and makes shovelwares in any system(not only on the Wii). Now third parties suffer the consequence.

 

 

I wonder when will the next video game crash begin? Well thats harsh I mean video game  implosion. I want the new genration(casuals to you) to reign in the new generation of gaming.

i agree with both of yall on this. The wii is selling so well because of its price point and originality. But now MS and Sony have both lowered the price and are about to launch motion control. so the deciding factor for people when they go to buy the systems will be the games. And in order for any system to sell 3rd part support has to be there. Flagship franchises can only carry you so far.

Except Nintendo still has the games, the games that made Wii sell so much are games like Wii Fit, Wii sports, Wii Play, Mario Kart and the like, and soon to be NSMB, Sony, MS, and the third parties can't compete with that, they may have motion controls and a lower price point, but as long as they can't compete with Nintendo, it won't matter how much third party support they have, they won't outsell Wii.

Halo, GTA, Call of Duty, etc. those won't carry a system to Wii level sales, those are the games that third parties put out, but those aren't the games that Sony and MS need.

 

 



 

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Farmageddon on 21 October 2009

RTS's don't belong in consoles, even if they can work a bit better on Wii because of IR, I don't think most people care. It would be kind of like saying the Xbox360 and PS3 lack on lightgun games. And there's BWII btw, along with a few others :P

And the lack of FPS, well this is one of the few genres Nintendo haven't covered, and since every third party planning to put some effort on a FPS though the Wii would bomb for HD would trounce it, they too put little to no effort on Wii FPS's.

That being said, as you know some third parties decided to start supporting for the next year or so (and I mean supporting, not testing :D), so a quality FPS or two could still come.

Anyway, this lack of FPS in no way demonstrates that Nintendo has abandoned this generation or anything, either.



Asriel on 21 October 2009

Of course Nintendo are considering the next gen. They constantly consider the next generation of their machines and games. They'd be stupid not to.

I don't feel left out at all. I don't think Nintendo have given us a great amount of software this year, but the two first party Wii titles I bought were great. I expect NSMB Wii to be great when I pick that up next month.

And next year... Well, looking ahead to next year I think Nintendo are going to spoil me. Especially if Zelda Wii makes it out.



yushire on 21 October 2009
Asriel said:
Of course Nintendo are considering the next gen. They constantly consider the next generation of their machines and games. They'd be stupid not to.

I don't feel left out at all. I don't think Nintendo have given us a great amount of software this year, but the two first party Wii titles I bought were great. I expect NSMB Wii to be great when I pick that up next month.

And next year... Well, looking ahead to next year I think Nintendo are going to spoil me. Especially if Zelda Wii makes it out.

 

 

You should feel left out by Ninty. its natural its common knowledge that Nintendo abandoned the core fanbase but its for the better of the industry. if not, the gaming industry will be like the anime and comic industry. just goto conventions and look at the anime fans there. Most of them are middle age and young adult. Not insulting anime fans out there, its FACT



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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Hardcoregamer1989 on 21 October 2009

oh great another dumb arse thread for wii haters that i Definitely don't see every day (sarcasm).. now seriously stop making threads people about why you don't like the wii, im sick of fucking reading them.

i have a ps3,wii and a gaming pc and i know the quality on all the platforms, you may say i only have a wii since it says so on the left side, but i don't know how to change it. anyway get off the wii,s nuts im sick of reading them 24 hours a day.



yushire on 21 October 2009

LOL everyone dont get me. for one thing Im not a Wii hater but Nintendo takes a different route than their rivals. instead of focusing on core games and mature and established franchise, they take a risk and move to casual arcade experience type of gameplay. And no established franchise except for mario though Metroid was a exception.


WHY? Because catering to old fanbase wont cut it. What if 5 years from now you will be laughed by the teens and kids if you goto a video game convention? because thats what happened in the anime industry. After watching anime conventions in youtube I laugh.


Thats what will happen in the video game industry if they cant accept the fact that we are still in this generation. anyone knew disco?


http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/video-games-are-the-new-disco/




Video games are not ‘rock and roll’ anymore. Instead of that youthful explosion of energy, video games are being dominated more and more of middle age people thinking gloriously back on their golden days. Unless video games are made relevant to young people, video games will become the new disco.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

woopah on 21 October 2009

theres MP3 and Red steel 2 for FPS if those count as well as the Grinder.


why are you expecting FPS and TPS from nintendo? theve never been big in those genres



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yushire on 21 October 2009
woopah said:
theres MP3 and Red steel 2 for FPS if those count as well as the Grinder.


why are you expecting FPS and TPS from nintendo? theve never been big in those genres

 

 

TBH, im not the one that expecting it. Its the nintendo core fans that actually expecting it. Why there are hundreds of COD and Re5 on the Wii threads in Nintendo section anyway? Not only on this site...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

justinian on 21 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
taomaster06 said:
yushire said:

proving more that Ninty dont give a damn. As if we should care or Nintendo should care. What third parties did in this generation was just milking the proven franchise and stomp it on the ground. Bet on wrong consoles and makes shovelwares in any system(not only on the Wii). Now third parties suffer the consequence.

 

 

I wonder when will the next video game crash begin? Well thats harsh I mean video game  implosion. I want the new genration(casuals to you) to reign in the new generation of gaming.

i agree with both of yall on this. The wii is selling so well because of its price point and originality. But now MS and Sony have both lowered the price and are about to launch motion control. so the deciding factor for people when they go to buy the systems will be the games. And in order for any system to sell 3rd part support has to be there. Flagship franchises can only carry you so far.

Except Nintendo still has the games, the games that made Wii sell so much are games like Wii Fit, Wii sports, Wii Play, Mario Kart and the like, and soon to be NSMB, Sony, MS, and the third parties can't compete with that, they may have motion controls and a lower price point, but as long as they can't compete with Nintendo, it won't matter how much third party support they have, they won't outsell Wii.

Halo, GTA, Call of Duty, etc. those won't carry a system to Wii level sales, those are the games that third parties put out, but those aren't the games that Sony and MS need.

 

 

You both have good points but there are one or two I disagree with.

1) The wii is selling well because of it's originality. Full stop. I don't think price is much to do with it. If price was all that mattered the x360 would have outsold the wii by now.

Seriously, think for a second and be honest. If the wii had the same gamepad controller as the other two consoles where do you think it would be?

Don't go down the path of "if the wii was more expensive" it wouldn't sell because it is not expensive and could never be expensive due to it's hardware.

2) Gamecube had mario last gen and it didn't help much in terms of consoles sales, granted that wii fit and such weren't on the gamecube.

Which brings me back to the first point, originality. These games are only really possible on the wii.

The wii was also kicking ass before wii fit. wii fit just re-enforced it.

3) Third party developers give you options and variety. This industry is bigger than MS, Sony and Nintendo.

Third Parties make a good living because of Sony and MS more so than nintendo. COD, GTA, FIFA, Batman etc., all benefits the industry.

Nintendo might rule the roost in terms of wii and it's own software sales but for many developers the real money is in PS3 and X360.

The x360 and PS3 may never catch wii in console sales but cash earnings from the HD consoles are far more dispersed because of the 3rd party support for these systems.

If you compare the earnings percentage of Nintendo's software against all 3rd party software on the wii there is a big winner.

Compare combined 3rd party developers earnings against MS and Sony's earnings on multiplat software and you see the difference (the figures are out there somewhere).

If you like real driving sims, FPS and such like the wii is not for you.

i am not knocking the wii. I am a big N supporter. I am just telling it as I see it. The wii fits my fun with friends niche exactly as nintendo intended.

So to sum up, 3rd party support will never take the HD consoles to the wii levels of sales but the wii will never have the massive library and options that the HD consoles do.