I think the main thing to take away from this thread is that both HD platforms are starting to routinely pump out a large number of seriously high quality games.

I think everyone can agree with that. I'm actually glad a few titles have been pushed back to next year as it gives me time to catch up on some of the older games from this year.

In a world where oxygen is acidic, human life can't exist. In other words, your fanatasy world is not really a valid point here. Games appeal to different people. This is the core idea behind different genres. Personal taste is really all that matters when it comes to a game. If I thought Ninja Bread Man was the greatest game ever then reviews can do absolutely nothing to alter this.

You will also note that those companies will refer to sales of their games as well. They also use sales of consoles. Are these good measures for how good a game or console is? An arbitrary number system is not inherently objective. An average of an arbitrary number system is not inherently objective either.

Given the above is true then the burden of proof is on you to show me why a set of aggregate reviews is actually objective. The assumption is not that you are correct and everyone has to disprove you. At least not in any rational debate. It is on you to actually show why this should be considered objective, and then on your opponents to counter it. I will gladly debunk any points you bring up if I disagree with their validity. Until then you set an inherently impossible task. I can't disprove something based on faith, and no one entering a rational, logical debate should be expected to.

You're doing something similar to werekitten now in assuming that I am for a moment going to argue that aggregate reviews are objective. I have simply argued that it is more inherently objective than any other measure we have available.

If you want to speak to truisms, find someone with a diametrically opposed view to your own, because that is not me.

Your sales argument has a major, MAJOR flaw. Whilst it would be entirely accurate in a perfectly competitive market, the games market is missing one key ingredient of such markets: perfect information.

Games are often purchased not because a consumer knows them to be of high quality, but because a consumer ASSUMES they are of high quality.

Hey, be fair, I didn't! :)

I limited myself to an entirely orthogonal issue.

360

+ Left 4 Dead 2 (I hope)
+ Modern Warfare 2

PS3

+ Ratchet & Clank
+ Modern Warfare 2

Wii

+ NSMB

anything else that could make AAA this year?

@Seece

I doubt Ratchet and Clank is going to get an 90%+

The last one got 88 I think, same as L4D getting an 89. If they both improve enough, 90+ is within reach.

I pray for Assassins Creed 2, but somehow I have the feeling that some reviewers will dislike it just as AC1 :(

Almost guaranteed AAA games:

Fallout 3 GOTY Edition

Episodes from Liberty City

Possible AAA games:

Tekken 6

Borderlands

Dragon Age

CoD Modern Warfare Reflex

Now that's what I call a high quality holiday season.

So is the Wii.  There are so many, I don't have the time or money to even play them all.

As for the whole debate about reviews, any system that ranks Mario Kart Wii as the worst Mario Kart ever doesn't hold much weight in my book.