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demon123 on 15 October 2009

ps3 exclusves are catching up with crysis. MGS4 was mind blowing. Graphically, the best on any console.

Uncharted 2 again has amazing graphics and from what I have read about god of war 3, it may beat Crysis. God of war 3 has used 3 times more pixels than gears of war 2. It will be amazing.

Heavy rain also looks amazing. I think that the PS3 may be the one to beat crysis.



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Kantor on 15 October 2009
CGI-Quality said:
demon123 said:

ps3 exclusves are catching up with crysis. MGS4 was mind blowing. Graphically, the best on any console.

Uncharted 2 again has amazing graphics and from what I have read about god of war 3, it may beat Crysis. God of war 3 has used 3 times more pixels than gears of war 2. It will be amazing.

Heavy rain also looks amazing. I think that the PS3 may be the one to beat crysis.

Perhaps from artistic standpoints. I just don't see it doing from a technical standpoint, ever. PS4/Xbox 720....sure, likey.

No, I'm pretty sure that by 2013, we'll be seeing PS3 (and 360) games that are technically better than Crysis.

Of course, by that time, Crysis 2 will be out, and probably Crysis 3, so it'll be irrelevant.

Crysis is cheating, though. Look at the hardware requirements!



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CaptainDJ on 15 October 2009

The Graphics on Crisis are so good, that even the Icon makes my PC crash.



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MonstaMack on 15 October 2009

Um... as Shio stated Capcom and SE was pretty smart to develop on the PC first then port to consoles. It's a lot cheaper to do while still maintaining great graphics and gameplay for the consoles.

Also nothing really beats the Crysis franchise in graphics. You can always up the resolution and add more effects as soon as a new graphics card is out. Crysis 2 on the PC and Rage will set another standard for years to come.

The only time consoles have a chance is when they are first released, but no one is able to fully take advantage of the graphics on launch (and if they have, name a game that was a launch title that was never overtaken graphically down the road on that same console) so PC will always have the advantage. If your going to defend that fine but I'll never agree with you.



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Aion on 16 October 2009

Yeah Crysis looks amazing.



 

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1337 Gamer on 16 October 2009

no there will be nothing on consoles this gen. Crysis will only be beaten by crysis 2 on a PC.



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Staude on 16 October 2009
CGI-Quality said:
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CGI-Quality said:
Staude said:
CGI-Quality said:
From a technical standpoint, there is NO QUESTION that Crysis is still King. From an artistic standpoint, I'd say it's subjective. I prefer the look of Crysis to compared to something like say: Killzone 2. However, something like HEAVY RAIN has a real-world look to it, and that's why it appeals more to me.

From a technical standpoint both killzone 2 and uncharted 2 beats out crysis in some areas.

Animation wise and Particle effects killzone 2 goes above.

Animations in uncharted is on a whole other level though and polygon detail on chars in  uncharted 2 is a lot higher than in crysis.

 

Other than that, carry on.

You have to remember something though, Crysis does what it does WHILE being open-world. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 far more linear, regardless of their advanced physics/animation & particle effects (Killzone 2) system. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Killzone 2 from a gameplay perspective, and prefer Uncharted 2 for it's art. But to say both of those are technically above Crysis is false, they aren't.

They are in the areas I said.. And how exacly is crysis open worlded ? I presume the game streams areas (Honestly I can't remember if it loads sections or just streams as you go) but it's not very open worlded. You might have two paths to one objective and it can give you the sense that it's openworlded.. but it's not.

Open worlded games are such as GTA, Oblivion and Far Cry 2 (though the quality of said title varies.. ps far cry 2 is a terrible game.. terrible.)

 

Crysis simply gives you one or two roads to choose from.. It's less open worlded than motorstorm: pacific rift.

It's still THE pinnacle of modern technical achievements in gaming, and it exceeds what Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 have achieved. I think you're mixing personal favorites with technical accomplishments. I prefer both Uncharted 2 and killzone 2, as I've stated, but know that neither one are as far along, technically, as Crysis is.

The only thing that makes crysis "so special" are the combined visual output along with the physics engine.

The individual visual aspects can, and has been taken over.

The cry engine was made particularly for forrests and island terrain. If you look at the original cry-engine 3, you'll see city terrain that looks nowhere near as good as killzone 2s.

Now all 3 games stream data, crysis from your harddrive, killzone 2 and uncharted 2 from the disc.

Uncharted 2 has far far better animations. It has the best animations ever created by any game. It's incredible. Uncharted 1 has better animations than crysis. Both also has better lipsyncing.

Furthermore, uncharted models have greater polygon detail. IE they have more polygons, and from the looks of it, heavily optimised work.

Now crysis on the other hand uses primarily low polygon char models with normal maps. Normal map giving the details. Like a unreal engine 3 game, but at a bigger resolution.

It's said that crysis uses up to 60k in their char models, however, i've come to learn that it's more like 5k for the normal char model, and 60k for the models used in the intro.

Killzone 2, has better particle effects in my opinion, based on the fact that i've played through, crysis, crysis warhead and killzone 2. That's my call. It becomes especially aparent in the last level. The vista is some of the most incredible in particle effects i've seen in a video game.

Killzone 2 also has smoother animations by the way...

 

also both uncharted, uncharted 2..... and heck killzone 2 has far superior AI to crysis. The AI is pretty dumb in that game.

That's besides the point though. If you read through my post again and try to lecture me CGI, i'll have to facepalm you !

Sorry but I have some knowledge in this field that you may not.

 

The combined visual aspect and especially physics, Crysis wins by a long shot. But it's still been beaten in individual aspects.



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AlkamistStar on 16 October 2009

Crysis is still the Graphics King.



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Staude on 16 October 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Staude said:
CGI-Quality said:
Staude said:
CGI-Quality said:
Staude said:
CGI-Quality said:
From a technical standpoint, there is NO QUESTION that Crysis is still King. From an artistic standpoint, I'd say it's subjective. I prefer the look of Crysis to compared to something like say: Killzone 2. However, something like HEAVY RAIN has a real-world look to it, and that's why it appeals more to me.

From a technical standpoint both killzone 2 and uncharted 2 beats out crysis in some areas.

Animation wise and Particle effects killzone 2 goes above.

Animations in uncharted is on a whole other level though and polygon detail on chars in  uncharted 2 is a lot higher than in crysis.

 

Other than that, carry on.

You have to remember something though, Crysis does what it does WHILE being open-world. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 far more linear, regardless of their advanced physics/animation & particle effects (Killzone 2) system. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Killzone 2 from a gameplay perspective, and prefer Uncharted 2 for it's art. But to say both of those are technically above Crysis is false, they aren't.

They are in the areas I said.. And how exacly is crysis open worlded ? I presume the game streams areas (Honestly I can't remember if it loads sections or just streams as you go) but it's not very open worlded. You might have two paths to one objective and it can give you the sense that it's openworlded.. but it's not.

Open worlded games are such as GTA, Oblivion and Far Cry 2 (though the quality of said title varies.. ps far cry 2 is a terrible game.. terrible.)

 

Crysis simply gives you one or two roads to choose from.. It's less open worlded than motorstorm: pacific rift.

It's still THE pinnacle of modern technical achievements in gaming, and it exceeds what Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 have achieved. I think you're mixing personal favorites with technical accomplishments. I prefer both Uncharted 2 and killzone 2, as I've stated, but know that neither one are as far along, technically, as Crysis is.

The only thing that makes crysis "so special" are the combined visual output along with the physics engine.

The individual visual aspects can, and has been taken over.

The cry engine was made particularly for forrests and island terrain. If you look at the original cry-engine 3, you'll see city terrain that looks nowhere near as good as killzone 2s.

Now all 3 games stream data, crysis from your harddrive, killzone 2 and uncharted 2 from the disc.

Uncharted 2 has far far better animations. It has the best animations ever created by any game. It's incredible. Uncharted 1 has better animations than crysis. Both also has better lipsyncing.

Furthermore, uncharted models have greater polygon detail. IE they have more polygons, and from the looks of it, heavily optimised work.

Now crysis on the other hand uses primarily low polygon char models with normal maps. Normal map giving the details. Like a unreal engine 3 game, but at a bigger resolution.

It's said that crysis uses up to 60k in their char models, however, i've come to learn that it's more like 5k for the normal char model, and 60k for the models used in the intro.

Killzone 2, has better particle effects in my opinion, based on the fact that i've played through, crysis, crysis warhead and killzone 2. That's my call. It becomes especially aparent in the last level. The vista is some of the most incredible in particle effects i've seen in a video game.

Killzone 2 also has smoother animations by the way...

 

also both uncharted, uncharted 2..... and heck killzone 2 has far superior AI to crysis. The AI is pretty dumb in that game.

That's besides the point though. If you read through my post again and try to lecture me CGI, i'll have to facepalm you !

Sorry but I have some knowledge in this field that you may not.

 

The combined visual aspect and especially physics, Crysis wins by a long shot. But it's still been beaten in individual aspects.

Well, you aren't proving this factually to me. Even if you * facepalm * me, I'm not convinced. I've played and beaten EVERY game in this discussion. Yes, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 1 & 2 have aspects that exceed Crysis, in fact I never argued that. But from a FULL technical standpoint, which btw I have plenty of knowledge in that field, I don't have a degree for nothing, Crysis wins this out. As I said, Crysis is open-ended, UNLIKE the console games mentioned in this discussion. Also, look at the entire spectrum, there are more polygons EVERYWHERE in that world than any of the PS3 games mentioned here.

Put it this way, like you, I'm arguing based on my knowledge of the specs that went into each project, and what each display on screen, and although Killzone 2 and Uncharteds 1 & 2 have aspects that are greater, Crysis is the more technically advanced game. Since neither one of us have EVERY bit of info on these games though, we're arguing opinions for the most part, though both sides contain some facts.

I'm not trying to get you mad or act ugly towards you, but I think you need to learn how to debate without letting personal crudentials and condescending rhetoric enter the debate, it makes the argument look weaker than it very well may be.

The only one condecending here is you based on your prior post. You keep telling me i'm letting personal opinion get in the way while it is something that I have infact not done. Not only that, I used to be a pc gamer first and foremost. 

In the future, I also would strongly suggest you actually read what i'm writing as I never debated that any of the games from a full technical standpoint were above crysis. If you had cared to read my posts you would find that I've only debated that certain aspects of the games were above crysis. So what's your problem ?

And crysis is not really open ended. Don't judge a bear by it's covers.



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BenVTrigger on 16 October 2009

Crysis is technically the best game graphically released by far and anyone who says differently really is either

a) biased as hell

or

b) doesnt know what they are talking about

this is just from a technical perspective but the sheer horsepower being pushed by crysis in physics, textures, particles, etc etc as a whole are above and beyond anything accomplished on consoles