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selnor said:
Wow. RThis thread went downhill with unecessary posts by people who will never play MC2. And Demon Souls by reviewers is said like Oblivion. Um Oblivion was as far from a JRPG as you can get. MC2 is JRPG!

Right let actual players comment. From what I understand it's actually a good game. Isn't that good for a JRPG?

Demon Souls looks nothing like oblivion. I don't care what reviewers say, it just isn't. Demon Souls plays more like a Japanese Action-Adventure mixed with Japanese Role Playing. You might get confused since Western RPGs are similar to Action-Adventures, but it is what it is, and that isn't a WRPG.  Like somebody mentioned earlier, MC2 is more similar to Korean MMOrpgs, which root themselves in Western Role Playing games than it is similar to Japanese Role Playing game. Either way, like I said earlier, the genres are merging back together, and pretty soon they are going to be one and the same again.

 

Key Things I would like to note when determining what genre a game is in.

- ALWAYS look at gameplay first and foremost. Do not look at story and say, this one is linear, that one isn't, they must be in such and such genre.

-  Do not confuse persective with the genre it takes place. An example that I would love to note. The Metroid Prime series isn't a first person shooter. This is because it plays like it's predecessors, an action adventure. So just because a perspective is more popular in one genre, that doesn't mean all games that use this perspective are in this genre.

- Try to stick to the major groups first, then narrow it down. The major groups are  Action, Adventure, Action-Adventure, RPG, Strategy, Simulation, and a few less broad ones like Puzzle or Rythm.

Action can be narrowed down into shooting, hack n slash, fighter, platformer, etc.

Adventure can be narrowed down into Point and Click adventures, and Open World adventures.

Action-Adventure could be  survival horror, or just regular action-adventure, mostly categorized by their perspective and specific gameplay aspects at this point.

RPG - Traditional(Turn based), Real time are the first major distinctions. Then you could go even more into Sandbox, Linear, Sectioned, etc that describe how much freedom you have.  I would say RPG shouldn't even be considered a genre. The games should be split into strategy, and action-adventure. There just isn't enough to differentiate some games from genres in other groupings, yet be so far apart from other RPGs.

Strategy - Turn Based(could go more into Strategy RPG), Real time.

Simulation - Pretty much whatever the game is simluating.

So yeah, it gets complicated, but I think that helps.

 



Well, judging by the fact that the only reviews I've found for Magna Carta 2 are a 6.1, 7, and 8, I'd say all these games are enormously better:

 

Well... maybe he meant if you only own a 360. Oh wait.

 

Yeah, Magna Carta 2 isn't anything special, and it's hardly going to stand out among a torrent of signifficantly better games, and believe me I skipped a lot that probably could have been included. Give it up.



selnor said:
Wow. RThis thread went downhill with unecessary posts by people who will never play MC2. And Demon Souls by reviewers is said like Oblivion. Um Oblivion was as far from a JRPG as you can get. MC2 is JRPG!

Right let actual players comment. From what I understand it's actually a good game. Isn't that good for a JRPG?

Oh goodness. The game is nothing like Oblivion.



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naznatips said:

Well, judging by the fact that the only reviews I've found for Magna Carta 2 are a 6.1, 7, and 8, I'd say all these games are enormously better:

 

Well... maybe he meant if you only own a 360. Oh wait.

 

Yeah, Magna Carta 2 isn't anything special, and it's hardly going to stand out among a torrent of signifficantly better games, and believe me I skipped a lot that probably could have been included. Give it up.

So you've played it then? I'm not saying it's going to be awesome, but judging it without playing it, and listing a whole bunch of games you perceive to be better than it without playing it is pretty stupid.



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themanwithnoname said:

So you've played it then? I'm not saying it's going to be awesome, but judging it without playing it, and listing a whole bunch of games you perceive to be better than it without playing it is pretty stupid.

Judging a game without playing it may be stupid, but so are these constant threads about 'which JRPG is superior' which are only talking about JRPGs on 'next gen, HD' consoles.  The threads might as well be 'Out of these 3 games, which is the best?'

The DS alone has more RPGs coming out in a year than the 360 and PS3 will see in its entire run.



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@themanwithnoname And making a definitive "best" isn't?



themanwithnoname said:

So you've played it then? I'm not saying it's going to be awesome, but judging it without playing it, and listing a whole bunch of games you perceive to be better than it without playing it is pretty stupid.

It just got another review http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/reviews/xbox-360/8750/magna-carta-ii

Look, I'm all for liking games regardless of reviews, but if you are going to call something the "best" instead of "my favorite" you are going to need to look at quanitifiable evidence, which, as of right now, says this game sucks, and all the above games are much better.

 



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

I think the main reason some people get annoyed with the 'WRPG vs JRPG' topic constantly being brought up is people try to use that as a way to divide RPGs into two groups.  In other words, to exclude one group in topics or say one type is better than the other.  When clearly there's RPGs on both sides of the ocean being influenced by each other.  And obviously as I just showed, what some people claim makes one type of RPG superior can be found on the other side.

No, not really. Categorizing things help people to understand it, that's how human mind works.

And though DQ as well as great majority of traditional jRPGs in their core gameplay mechanics definitely more close to early wRPGs than modern wRPGs (kinda paradox, isn't it? jRPGs throughout their history were more conservative than wRPGs), but that doesn't make those terms unusable. You can't narrow down wRPGs only to their early examples, such as Wizardry and Ultima, almost 30 years of game development of wRPGs and jRPGs make those two things pretty different after all. You know, we and apes have common ancestors, but that doesn't make us similarm does it? Wizardry and Ultima serves as early ancestors to wRPGs and jRPGs, and p'n'p RPGs serves as ancestors to Wizardry, Ultima and such things as MUDs, roguelikes etc.

BTW I could name you yet another group of people who still believes that only p'n'p RPGs could be named as only and truly "role-playing experience". And though I don't like when gamers of different kinds make those elitaristic statements, there's a grain of truth in it. I won't continue, but you may look for definition of "role play" on any p'n'p RPG fan site. Very few wRPGs and couple to none jRPG have it. Why? Beacuse it's extremely hard to imitate this thing digitally, so all those kinds of RPGs despite common name are very different game experiences.

No. There are no WRPGs that are real "role play" or anything like p'n'p. 



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selnor said:
Wow. RThis thread went downhill with unecessary posts by people who will never play MC2. And Demon Souls by reviewers is said like Oblivion. Um Oblivion was as far from a JRPG as you can get. MC2 is JRPG!

Right let actual players comment. From what I understand it's actually a good game. Isn't that good for a JRPG?

Demon Souls looks nothing like oblivion. I don't care what reviewers say, it just isn't. Demon Souls plays more like a Japanese Action-Adventure mixed with Japanese Role Playing. You might get confused since Western RPGs are similar to Action-Adventures, but it is what it is, and that isn't a WRPG.  Like somebody mentioned earlier, MC2 is more similar to Korean MMOrpgs, which root themselves in Western Role Playing games than it is similar to Japanese Role Playing game. Either way, like I said earlier, the genres are merging back together, and pretty soon they are going to be one and the same again.

 

Key Things I would like to note when determining what genre a game is in.

- ALWAYS look at gameplay first and foremost. Do not look at story and say, this one is linear, that one isn't, they must be in such and such genre.

-  Do not confuse persective with the genre it takes place. An example that I would love to note. The Metroid Prime series isn't a first person shooter. This is because it plays like it's predecessors, an action adventure. So just because a perspective is more popular in one genre, that doesn't mean all games that use this perspective are in this genre.

- Try to stick to the major groups first, then narrow it down. The major groups are  Action, Adventure, Action-Adventure, RPG, Strategy, Simulation, and a few less broad ones like Puzzle or Rythm.

Action can be narrowed down into shooting, hack n slash, fighter, platformer, etc.

Adventure can be narrowed down into Point and Click adventures, and Open World adventures.

Action-Adventure could be  survival horror, or just regular action-adventure, mostly categorized by their perspective and specific gameplay aspects at this point.

RPG - Traditional(Turn based), Real time are the first major distinctions. Then you could go even more into Sandbox, Linear, Sectioned, etc that describe how much freedom you have.  I would say RPG shouldn't even be considered a genre. The games should be split into strategy, and action-adventure. There just isn't enough to differentiate some games from genres in other groupings, yet be so far apart from other RPGs.

Strategy - Turn Based(could go more into Strategy RPG), Real time.

Simulation - Pretty much whatever the game is simluating.

So yeah, it gets complicated, but I think that helps.

 

I disagree completely.

JRPG's arent really RPG's and never have been. The ONLY part of RPG they imitate is a level system.

JRPG's do not have multiple choices. Do not have create a character options. Do not have interaction with scenery ( except for what is story driven ). RPG's come from the original RPG pen and paper games. Where RPG's started. JRPG's have as much in common with these as Killzone 2 does. A level system thats it. Now I havent played Demon Souls, but what the reviews have said have next to sweet FA to do with JRPG's. And MUCH more akin to RPG's. ( I dont call them WRPG's anymore because, they are what the RPG originally was. )