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selnor on 12 October 2009
Torillian said:
You are choosing what you like about D&D, not what defines it as a game. If your DM gave you character sheets and had you play through a largely linear story you would still be playing D&D.

That wasn't the point of a DM. You should know that if you know the game. The point of a DM is to tell you a story, give you scenarios. The choices were ALL up to you. The only things that would affect you not doing your choices were your attributes. Which represent real life limitations of your body. The system of numbers was placed in to represent carrying on or dying in the game. But the DM was NOT to choose the characters for you. You have full control over your character, and design.

Any DM who told you what you just said, would be kicked out of GamesWorkshop Tm Faster than you could say WTF?



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heruamon on 12 October 2009
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
Im playing Magna Carta II right NOW along side DW6: Empries for my PS3, and to be honest my GOD im highly impressed by BOTH games, though granted im only Renting MCII for my 360 because i have a feeling MCII will also come to PS3, but anyway to your question... ITS MUCH BETTER THEN ToV, Much, Much, Much better!

But from the looks of it and by your question, DS and PSP still has better JRPG's then MCII, I hear Demons Souls is a real good game to, but i dont know if its a true JRPG... to be honest... i dont even think MCII is a JRPG at all... >_>

Hmmm...I was interested in MC2, after I saw the gameplay vids...it didn't seem like a typical RPG of the Japanese variety.



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LordMatrix on 12 October 2009
RJ@Melb said:
Can we get some comments about how the game plays now please..
So far theres been 1 over 5 pages

Check my thread about Magna Carta 2 if you want plenty of comments on the game including my own.



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Torillian on 12 October 2009
selnor said:
Torillian said:
You are choosing what you like about D&D, not what defines it as a game. If your DM gave you character sheets and had you play through a largely linear story you would still be playing D&D.

That wasn't the point of a DM. You should know that if you know the game. The point of a DM is to tell you a story, give you scenarios. The choices were ALL up to you. The only things that would affect you not doing your choices were your attributes. Which represent real life limitations of your body. The system of numbers was placed in to represent carrying on or dying in the game. But the DM was NOT to choose the characters for you. You have full control over your character, and design.

Any DM who told you what you just said, would be kicked out of GamesWorkshop Tm Faster than you could say WTF?

Sigh fine, sadly I don't have enough D&D experince to counter all these points, but regardless of it not being acceptable by some, I still think that you'd be playing the game.

Regardless, all of these games are defined as RPG's, so your definition is meaningless.



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nen-suer on 12 October 2009
Euphoria14 said:

I hate these genre debates.

JRPG aren't RPGs.
Uncharted isn't a an adventure game, it is a third-person shooter.
Blah blah blah blah blah...

Who cares?

 

I have always called games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Hearts, Chrono Trigger (multiple choices, multiple paths, multiple ending), Suikoden, Tales, etc... RPGs. They have been called RPGs long before this stupid debate as far as I know.

Thank you..



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Akvod on 12 October 2009

Even if we do agree that JRPGs don't fit under the title of RPG, that only proves that it's mislabeled, not because it's a bad game.

If we mislabel GeoW as a FPS, does that mean it's a bad game since it doesn't fit the criteria of a FPS game?



selnor on 12 October 2009
nen-suer said:
Euphoria14 said:

I hate these genre debates.

JRPG aren't RPGs.
Uncharted isn't a an adventure game, it is a third-person shooter.
Blah blah blah blah blah...

Who cares?

 

I have always called games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Hearts, Chrono Trigger (multiple choices, multiple paths, multiple ending), Suikoden, Tales, etc... RPGs. They have been called RPGs long before this stupid debate as far as I know.

Thank you..

Really you think those games have multiple choices, paths or endings. I'm shocked at what people think choice is? The characters. choices and paths couldn't be more linear if they tried.  Actually FF in the snes days was reffered to alot as adventure game in many magazine reviews back in the day.



selnor on 12 October 2009
Akvod said:
Even if we do agree that JRPGs don't fit under the title of RPG, that only proves that it's mislabeled, not because it's a bad game.

If we mislabel GeoW as a FPS, does that mean it's a bad game since it doesn't fit the criteria of a FPS game?


I agree with this. The debate only came up because someone called Demon Souls a JRPG, when reviews have all said it's got alot of Oblivion in it. Thats all. Noone said they were bad games though.



sc94597 on 12 October 2009
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Euphoria14 said:

I hate these genre debates.

JRPG aren't RPGs.
Uncharted isn't a an adventure game, it is a third-person shooter.
Blah blah blah blah blah...

Who cares?

 

I have always called games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Hearts, Chrono Trigger (multiple choices, multiple paths, multiple ending), Suikoden, Tales, etc... RPGs. They have been called RPGs long before this stupid debate as far as I know.

Thank you..

Really you think those games have multiple choices, paths or endings. I'm shocked at what people think choice is? The characters. choices and paths couldn't be more linear if they tried.  Actually FF in the snes days was reffered to alot as adventure game in many magazine reviews back in the day.

Chrono Trigger has something around 16 multiple endings. That is a fact, and whether you like it or not it is true. Btw, these are the same people that label the games as RPGs today. So if you take them as credible back then as you do now, try to be consistent. I for one, find genres that make sense, and not because a developer or media personel labels it as such. Most Japanese developed "RPGs" fit best in the Strategy genre. Most American or European RPGs released are Action-Adventures. Neither of them are true RPGs. The video game definition of RPG isn't the same as a "real" role playing game.



sc94597 on 12 October 2009
selnor said:
Akvod said:
Even if we do agree that JRPGs don't fit under the title of RPG, that only proves that it's mislabeled, not because it's a bad game.

If we mislabel GeoW as a FPS, does that mean it's a bad game since it doesn't fit the criteria of a FPS game?


I agree with this. The debate only came up because someone called Demon Souls a JRPG, when reviews have all said it's got alot of Oblivion in it. Thats all. Noone said they were bad games though.

Well people who actually played the game, know it is nothing like oblivion. Not even close actually.