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DrStephenTColbert on 11 October 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CatFangs806 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
well I got some facts arguing your topic title:

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/verkaufscharts/PC-CDROM/media_control.html
and
http://bignside.de/risen-fuhrt-download-verkaufe-an/10579

the first one is the official chart of Germany this week, the second one the result of an international download portal.

It had been obvious that Risen would stomp its competition in the very ground in Germany like its always with gothic, but the second one is quite surprising.
direct2drive.com is an international download portal, so this shows that piranha bytes has achieved broadening the brand into northern europe, not just like eastern europe and ofc germany, where the games always have been astonishingly successfull. compare it with monster hunter in japan.

if this trend continues, the brand will probably finally be able to rival the Elder Scroll series in its next iteration. piranha bytes next game can become the biggest WRPG brand in europe, whether namend risen or gothic or whatever.

the problem with the console version is that the game sets its focus on its huge and open world, you have ZERO loading times, every dungeon or house you enter is ONE PART of the world, which creates the unique atmosphere of the game. prob : xbox 360 and ps3 have veryvery little ram, which is the most needed in that department, so they had to cut on the graphics.

@ lostplanet22 : you fail


The fact that the 360 only has 512MB of ram would really cause slowdown if the graphics were PC quality. Microsoft really should release a RAM pack like the Nintendo 64 had. Although this would give off the impression that the 360 was weak with little ram. Though it couldn't hurt. Faster loading times and better and faster rendering times, plus better framerate. Doubling it to 1GB would seem to be more than enough for this.


Come on, this has nothing to do with the power of the Xbox360. Look at the games I can already play like Gears of War (2), Oblivion, Fable, CoD, Fallout etc and now compare those with Risen.... U see?

Risen is NOT a challenging game from a technical point of view. Obviously the developer didn't focus on the 360. I read so many times that this game was technically outdated on the 360. Too bad. I wanted to get this game, but I will not support lazy work.

 

man you have NO IDEA.

it's an open world game. not like oblivion which loads houses and dungeons. OPEN WORLD. oblivion is claustrophoby vs risen.

 

open world in games has always been = RAM

RAM = traditional weakness of consoles

you = fail

 

p.s. the other games you entionend are VERY linear and VERY small levels, at least compared to risen kind of levels. YES ALSO FABLE 2, fallout 3 = oblivion in future, COD 4 levels = ... haha dont be ridiculous

 

it's not i bash your beloved console but ram has ALWAYS been the weakness of consoles fact. point. debate over .


yeah... Risen maxes out the Xbox360, because of RAM... right...

Risen is not possible on PS3 confirmed.

PS3 = 256
Xbox360 = 512

Based on its reviews, Risen is not possible on the 360 either



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huaxiong90 on 11 October 2009

PS3 and 360 use 2 different RAM architectures, and there are ways to optimize around the whole RAM problem, I'm sure of it.



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ssj12 on 11 October 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CatFangs806 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
well I got some facts arguing your topic title:

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/verkaufscharts/PC-CDROM/media_control.html
and
http://bignside.de/risen-fuhrt-download-verkaufe-an/10579

the first one is the official chart of Germany this week, the second one the result of an international download portal.

It had been obvious that Risen would stomp its competition in the very ground in Germany like its always with gothic, but the second one is quite surprising.
direct2drive.com is an international download portal, so this shows that piranha bytes has achieved broadening the brand into northern europe, not just like eastern europe and ofc germany, where the games always have been astonishingly successfull. compare it with monster hunter in japan.

if this trend continues, the brand will probably finally be able to rival the Elder Scroll series in its next iteration. piranha bytes next game can become the biggest WRPG brand in europe, whether namend risen or gothic or whatever.

the problem with the console version is that the game sets its focus on its huge and open world, you have ZERO loading times, every dungeon or house you enter is ONE PART of the world, which creates the unique atmosphere of the game. prob : xbox 360 and ps3 have veryvery little ram, which is the most needed in that department, so they had to cut on the graphics.

@ lostplanet22 : you fail


The fact that the 360 only has 512MB of ram would really cause slowdown if the graphics were PC quality. Microsoft really should release a RAM pack like the Nintendo 64 had. Although this would give off the impression that the 360 was weak with little ram. Though it couldn't hurt. Faster loading times and better and faster rendering times, plus better framerate. Doubling it to 1GB would seem to be more than enough for this.


Come on, this has nothing to do with the power of the Xbox360. Look at the games I can already play like Gears of War (2), Oblivion, Fable, CoD, Fallout etc and now compare those with Risen.... U see?

Risen is NOT a challenging game from a technical point of view. Obviously the developer didn't focus on the 360. I read so many times that this game was technically outdated on the 360. Too bad. I wanted to get this game, but I will not support lazy work.

 

man you have NO IDEA.

it's an open world game. not like oblivion which loads houses and dungeons. OPEN WORLD. oblivion is claustrophoby vs risen.

 

open world in games has always been = RAM

RAM = traditional weakness of consoles

you = fail

 

p.s. the other games you entionend are VERY linear and VERY small levels, at least compared to risen kind of levels. YES ALSO FABLE 2, fallout 3 = oblivion in future, COD 4 levels = ... haha dont be ridiculous

 

it's not i bash your beloved console but ram has ALWAYS been the weakness of consoles fact. point. debate over .


yeah... Risen maxes out the Xbox360, because of RAM... right...

Risen is not possible on PS3 confirmed.

PS3 = 256
Xbox360 = 512

Oh god, this again. Why the hell are we back to this argument? wasnt this argument a massive failure back in 2007?

PS3 = 512MBs

360 = 512MBs

 

Anyways, Risen cannot be ran properly on EITHER console due to MASSIVE ram constrants. You need 1GB of system ram and 256MB of dedicated GPU ram minimum.

 

@the oblivion argument. Oblivion isnt half as detailed as Risen. There are more trees and enemies in 40 feet in Risen then there are in 100 in Oblivion. Oblivion is outdated, period.

And no one bring up Warhawk or MAG arenas, they might be massive, but they really don't have much. SpeedTree was wonderful for them.



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1200p|is|FullHD on 11 October 2009
ssj12 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CatFangs806 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
well I got some facts arguing your topic title:

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/verkaufscharts/PC-CDROM/media_control.html
and
http://bignside.de/risen-fuhrt-download-verkaufe-an/10579

the first one is the official chart of Germany this week, the second one the result of an international download portal.

It had been obvious that Risen would stomp its competition in the very ground in Germany like its always with gothic, but the second one is quite surprising.
direct2drive.com is an international download portal, so this shows that piranha bytes has achieved broadening the brand into northern europe, not just like eastern europe and ofc germany, where the games always have been astonishingly successfull. compare it with monster hunter in japan.

if this trend continues, the brand will probably finally be able to rival the Elder Scroll series in its next iteration. piranha bytes next game can become the biggest WRPG brand in europe, whether namend risen or gothic or whatever.

the problem with the console version is that the game sets its focus on its huge and open world, you have ZERO loading times, every dungeon or house you enter is ONE PART of the world, which creates the unique atmosphere of the game. prob : xbox 360 and ps3 have veryvery little ram, which is the most needed in that department, so they had to cut on the graphics.

@ lostplanet22 : you fail


The fact that the 360 only has 512MB of ram would really cause slowdown if the graphics were PC quality. Microsoft really should release a RAM pack like the Nintendo 64 had. Although this would give off the impression that the 360 was weak with little ram. Though it couldn't hurt. Faster loading times and better and faster rendering times, plus better framerate. Doubling it to 1GB would seem to be more than enough for this.


Come on, this has nothing to do with the power of the Xbox360. Look at the games I can already play like Gears of War (2), Oblivion, Fable, CoD, Fallout etc and now compare those with Risen.... U see?

Risen is NOT a challenging game from a technical point of view. Obviously the developer didn't focus on the 360. I read so many times that this game was technically outdated on the 360. Too bad. I wanted to get this game, but I will not support lazy work.

 

man you have NO IDEA.

it's an open world game. not like oblivion which loads houses and dungeons. OPEN WORLD. oblivion is claustrophoby vs risen.

 

open world in games has always been = RAM

RAM = traditional weakness of consoles

you = fail

 

p.s. the other games you entionend are VERY linear and VERY small levels, at least compared to risen kind of levels. YES ALSO FABLE 2, fallout 3 = oblivion in future, COD 4 levels = ... haha dont be ridiculous

 

it's not i bash your beloved console but ram has ALWAYS been the weakness of consoles fact. point. debate over .


yeah... Risen maxes out the Xbox360, because of RAM... right...

Risen is not possible on PS3 confirmed.

PS3 = 256
Xbox360 = 512

Oh god, this again. Why the hell are we back to this argument? wasnt this argument a massive failure back in 2007?

PS3 = 512MBs

360 = 512MBs

 

Anyways, Risen cannot be ran properly on EITHER console due to MASSIVE ram constrants. You need 1GB of system ram and 256MB of dedicated GPU ram minimum.

 

@the oblivion argument. Oblivion isnt half as detailed as Risen. There are more trees and enemies in 40 feet in Risen then there are in 100 in Oblivion. Oblivion is outdated, period.

And no one bring up Warhawk or MAG arenas, they might be massive, but they really don't have much. SpeedTree was wonderful for them.

 

Thx  a LOT, i thought i have to explain the same thing again, but you quite said it all, risen has a much higher of detail.

 

again guys, there's no reason to be pissed noone bashes your consoles they can do amazing graphics, they could even do crysis.

but if you remember ( im sure you dont ) back at 2007 or 08 crysis said, that the only reason why they cant port crysis to console - even with a bit weaker graphics - is the RAM.

ram is limiting consoles, but nevertheless they can have astonishing graphics, but not on a broad scale.

risen is for sure not the most beautiful game, but it's huuuuuuuuge AND high detail. thx.



How can 720p be considered HD when it looks like ugly snow grains on my 22'' screen?

 

 

Slimebeast on 12 October 2009
ssj12 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CatFangs806 said:
1200p|is|FullHD said:
well I got some facts arguing your topic title:

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/verkaufscharts/PC-CDROM/media_control.html
and
http://bignside.de/risen-fuhrt-download-verkaufe-an/10579

the first one is the official chart of Germany this week, the second one the result of an international download portal.

It had been obvious that Risen would stomp its competition in the very ground in Germany like its always with gothic, but the second one is quite surprising.
direct2drive.com is an international download portal, so this shows that piranha bytes has achieved broadening the brand into northern europe, not just like eastern europe and ofc germany, where the games always have been astonishingly successfull. compare it with monster hunter in japan.

if this trend continues, the brand will probably finally be able to rival the Elder Scroll series in its next iteration. piranha bytes next game can become the biggest WRPG brand in europe, whether namend risen or gothic or whatever.

the problem with the console version is that the game sets its focus on its huge and open world, you have ZERO loading times, every dungeon or house you enter is ONE PART of the world, which creates the unique atmosphere of the game. prob : xbox 360 and ps3 have veryvery little ram, which is the most needed in that department, so they had to cut on the graphics.

@ lostplanet22 : you fail


The fact that the 360 only has 512MB of ram would really cause slowdown if the graphics were PC quality. Microsoft really should release a RAM pack like the Nintendo 64 had. Although this would give off the impression that the 360 was weak with little ram. Though it couldn't hurt. Faster loading times and better and faster rendering times, plus better framerate. Doubling it to 1GB would seem to be more than enough for this.


Come on, this has nothing to do with the power of the Xbox360. Look at the games I can already play like Gears of War (2), Oblivion, Fable, CoD, Fallout etc and now compare those with Risen.... U see?

Risen is NOT a challenging game from a technical point of view. Obviously the developer didn't focus on the 360. I read so many times that this game was technically outdated on the 360. Too bad. I wanted to get this game, but I will not support lazy work.

 

man you have NO IDEA.

it's an open world game. not like oblivion which loads houses and dungeons. OPEN WORLD. oblivion is claustrophoby vs risen.

 

open world in games has always been = RAM

RAM = traditional weakness of consoles

you = fail

 

p.s. the other games you entionend are VERY linear and VERY small levels, at least compared to risen kind of levels. YES ALSO FABLE 2, fallout 3 = oblivion in future, COD 4 levels = ... haha dont be ridiculous

 

it's not i bash your beloved console but ram has ALWAYS been the weakness of consoles fact. point. debate over .


yeah... Risen maxes out the Xbox360, because of RAM... right...

Risen is not possible on PS3 confirmed.

PS3 = 256
Xbox360 = 512

Oh god, this again. Why the hell are we back to this argument? wasnt this argument a massive failure back in 2007?

PS3 = 512MBs

360 = 512MBs

 

Anyways, Risen cannot be ran properly on EITHER console due to MASSIVE ram constrants. You need 1GB of system ram and 256MB of dedicated GPU ram minimum.

 

@the oblivion argument. Oblivion isnt half as detailed as Risen. There are more trees and enemies in 40 feet in Risen then there are in 100 in Oblivion. Oblivion is outdated, period.

And no one bring up Warhawk or MAG arenas, they might be massive, but they really don't have much. SpeedTree was wonderful for them.

Yes maybe, but it's not claustrophobic. Almost no other game is as open as Oblivion. Maps are huge, the scenes are huge. There's never invisible walls in Oblivion (which the Risen demo had lots of - although i know it gets more open in later stages). And its not cause it's primitive that they're able to pull it off, it's cause Oblivion uses the bubble system like in MMORPGs. (within a set area around the player all details are known, calculated and rendered, but outside the bubble the AI and environments are simpler)



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Scoobes on 12 October 2009
Slimebeast said:

Yes maybe, but it's not claustrophobic. Almost no other game is as open as Oblivion. Maps are huge, the scenes are huge. There's never invisible walls in Oblivion (which the Risen demo had lots of - although i know it gets more open in later stages). And its not cause it's primitive that they're able to pull it off, it's cause Oblivion uses the bubble system like in MMORPGs. (within a set area around the player all details are known, calculated and rendered, but outside the bubble the AI and environments are simpler)

Could they not have done somethig similar for the console version of Risen? And if this is true couldn't they have used this technique even on the PC version where they could have opened the game up to more users by having a lower system spec? Well, either way, I'll be getting this off Steam soon enough.




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Slimebeast on 12 October 2009
Scoobes said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes maybe, but it's not claustrophobic. Almost no other game is as open as Oblivion. Maps are huge, the scenes are huge. There's never invisible walls in Oblivion (which the Risen demo had lots of - although i know it gets more open in later stages). And its not cause it's primitive that they're able to pull it off, it's cause Oblivion uses the bubble system like in MMORPGs. (within a set area around the player all details are known, calculated and rendered, but outside the bubble the AI and environments are simpler)

Could they not have done somethig similar for the console version of Risen? And if this is true couldn't they have used this technique even on the PC version where they could have opened the game up to more users by having a lower system spec? Well, either way, I'll be getting this off Steam soon enough.

Exactly. I don't think Risen uses a bubble system, that might be the problem of the X360 version. So their solution was to compress and blur all the textures instead, no matter the view distance.
(I'm just speculating)

 



MonstaMack on 12 October 2009

With the treatment it got on the 360? It deserved it.

I hope It hits the bargain bins real soon.



It's just that simple.

ManusJustus on 12 October 2009

Disappointing, but hopefully it did better on PC. I'll stil get it when it comes to North America.



scat398 on 12 October 2009

I picked this up on Steam, and while the core RPG style is great, the combat is just horrible. You have to hit a guy with a sword 50 times to get the kill and he has to hit you three times. They need to fix the damage or don't bother picking it up.