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@Ironman
At this point I can't understand if you're in good faith and oblivious to elementary logic, or you're playing deaf.
Because you're again mixing up two different contexts.

Your living room might also be your gaming room, because that's where you have your consoles or your billiard table. And still it's a room and it's a living room. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

The Merriam-Webster definition of a Personal Computer: "a general-purpose computer equipped with a microprocessor and designed to run especially commercial software (as a word processor or Internet browser) for an individual user"

An iPhone respects this definition in full.

The versatility that you perceive has nothing to do with it because nowhere in the definition it is written that a PC has to perform task x,y and z to be called so. Only that it must be multi-purpose, the variety of its capabilities depending on the software you write for it.

As I said, most people will tell you that they know very well the difference between a computer and a console, or a smart phone and a computer. That doesn't make less true that the strict definitions you find in dictionaries -and that you quoted- don't allow such an easy distinction and don't make those mutually exclusive.

I really don't think that repeating these same concepts another time would be any useful for any reader of this thread, so it's off and out for me.



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its similar to consoles but its not.



I fail to see the point of this thread. Enlighten me.

PCs can play games, Macs can play games, so can cellphones, PSPs, DSs, XBoxs, PS3s, Wiis, Ataris....etc. Whats the point.

Different people have preferences on how they like to game. And yet we game on. What does it matter if someone wants to call a PC a console or not?

I can now game from my couch with my PC, and I can surf the web on my Wii, I can even program games on my Atari. With the current technology of LCD, Plasma, and OLED screens there is not much of a difference between a TV and a computer monitor except that TV's have built in TV tuners....

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WereKitten said:

@Ironman
At this point I can't understand if you're in good faith and oblivious to elementary logic, or you're playing deaf.
Because you're again mixing up two different contexts.

Hardly, It's quite clear, a console is designed to perform one main task, a gaming console's main task is gaming, I really don't get how you are confused about that.

Your living room might also be your gaming room, because that's where you have your consoles or your billiard table. And still it's a room and it's a living room. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

The Merriam-Webster definition of a Personal Computer: "a general-purpose computer equipped with a microprocessor and designed to run especially commercial software (as a word processor or Internet browser) for an individual user"

An iPhone respects this definition in full.

No, it doesn't, being a "PC" is a secondary operation and purpose. It's main purpose and reason for existing, is as a phone.   


The versatility that you perceive has nothing to do with it because nowhere in the definition it is written that a PC has to perform task x,y and z to be called so. Only that it must be multi-purpose, the variety of its capabilities depending on the software you write for it.

This is true, and right there you just proved that a PC is not a console because it has many primary purposes. a Gaming console has ONE primary purpose. even if a person uses it as a DVD player only, the reason it exists is to play games, all other uses are secondary. for the PC, it has no secondary purposes, all are primary.

As I said, most people will tell you that they know very well the difference between a computer and a console, or a smart phone and a computer. That doesn't make less true that the strict definitions you find in dictionaries -and that you quoted- don't allow such an easy distinction and don't make those mutually exclusive.

So you agree that a PC is not a gaming console, but you disagree with the way I argue that point???

I really don't think that repeating these same concepts another time would be any useful for any reader of this thread, so it's off and out for me. 

No it really wouldn't because you are missing the point, A PC has MANY primary functions, and console has ONE, and THAT is what separates the two. Your argument is based on ONE person's perception of what a room/Iphone/DVD Player/PC/ does. But that does not change what the main intended purpose of that "thing" is. 

 

@ Puffy, Obviously, it is not to some people, I give you exibit A.

@WiiBox, The point of this thread is to define whether or not the PC is a gaming console. That is all. The reason it matters is because fanboy arguments are generally based around symantics and perceived differences / likenesses of a Gaming console and a PC. All I am doing is trying to give people a thread they can referance to stop said arguments and hopefully bring a little more perspective to where each person is coming from.  



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Log me down in the camp of a PC not being a console!



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ironman said:

 

@ Puffy, Obviously, it is not to some people, I give you exibit A.

@WiiBox, The point of this thread is to define whether or not the PC is a gaming console. That is all. The reason it matters is because fanboy arguments are generally based around symantics and perceived differences / likenesses of a Gaming console and a PC. All I am doing is trying to give people a thread they can referance to stop said arguments and hopefully bring a little more perspective to where each person is coming from.  

Oh, please. Let's leave it at that.

You're not reading what I'm writing or not understanding what I wrote already at least two times.

Since -whatever the reason might be- you're not understanding, the least you can do is not put words into my mouth and thus remove my name from the list you're compiling in your OP.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

Technically it is, but that is not what you are arguing here. A PC is a console, not a video game console but it is a console.

A console is a term meaning to control, and in the terms for computer control or monitoring unit of the computer.

A PC is not described as a processor. A processor, is a processor(DUHHHHHHHHHH). A PC is shorthand for personal computer. Computer by definition is a processor, since it computes data. However a Personal Computer needs to be a console, to control it. Else you wouldn't be able to input data.

Also what you need to know is this simple logic.

"All Catholics are christian, but not all Christians are Catholic."

Once you understand that you'll understand this logic.

"All Video Game Consoles are Consoles, but not all Consoles are Video Game Consoles."
and
"All Video Game Consoles are PCs, but not all PCs are Video Game Consoles."

If you have a personal computer, it's a PC, no matter the format it's in. A PS3, 360, nes, wii, etc and for most all share the needs to be classified a PC. The reason they are not called PCs, even though they can be, is because they are dedicated for Video Games. So we Gave them the name basically, video game console, or control of video games.



well duh, a PC can be used as a gaming platform, but is not a gaming console



ironman said:
hsrob said:
ironman said:
hsrob said:
Carl2291 said:
Can i ask what the point of this thread is?

This is my question and we still haven't gotten clarification on this point from the OP.

 

Read my last post. If I tell you why, the fanboy in each and every one of you will rear it's ugly head, and this thread will become a slaughter house. That is NOT what I want. If you cannot post anything beneficial to the thread, please do not post at all, what you are doing is spamming, and is a bannable offence.

If I was a spammer I should have a higher post count by now;) Sometimes people ask perfectly valid questions that get missed, I was just asking for clarification.

You say you want a consensus as to what a PC is but your OP is hardly inviting debate on the issue at hand but I agree, a PC is not a console.

Every forum I have ever been a member on has defined spam as pointless posts that do nothing to help the topic being discussed. You may not be a spammer by nature, but you are spamming here. My OP is stating my reasoning for not believing that a PC is a console. That invited debate from those who still disagree.

It seems you aren't reading some people's posts very carefully, I'm in the wrong group.