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S.T.A.G.E. said:
routsounmanman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
routsounmanman said:
What about the huge shift in software itself? In this generation, most titles move closer and closer to "blockbusters". Most of them implement popular aspects of different genres to appeal.

Most games nowadays contain shooting or RPG elements to appeal to the broader audience, the "hardcore". The "core" gamers on the contrary seem to flee the industry as there's nothing to interest them after gaming for 20 years or just growing old.

On the other hand, huge wave of "casuals" has entered the market with the Wii, them only interested in really mainstream IPs (like Mario, CoD, Sonic) or just casual titles, like Wii Fit, WSR and EA Sports Active.

In my opinion, the shift in software and consumer tastes has been very significant this gen. Casuals on one hand (through the Wii), and hardcore through the other (via HD) have squeezed the core gaming population out of the equation.

Not exactly. Casuals exist, but core gamers carry the intitial and lifetime sales of hot titles on the 360 and PS3. The Wii is the only system where your statement holds true and the casuals dominante whilst the core are dwindling.

No. Hardcore carry the weight on HD platforms. The best selling games on each platform are shooter games or games with heavy shooting elements (RE5, GTAIV). Thus RPGs failing on all consoles so far this gen (until FFXIII of course)

First of all you're not arguing my point. Second of all Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and and Oblivion all sold well and are WRPG's. JRPG's are the sub genre that is at risk until Final Fantasy XIII comes out. 

Both Fallout 3 and Mass Effect contain heavy shooter elements. The only successful, true RPG that has succeeded thus far is Oblivion, although it's probably nothing compared to its PC iteration sales.



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What don't you guys get? They're going to release motion controls next year, how risky is that? Sony are clearly the big risk takers in the industry.



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Reasonable said:
What don't you guys get? They're going to release motion controls next year, how risky is that? Sony are clearly the big risk takers in the industry.

You're not being sarcastic? Well sure, in the war in '51 they were risk takers and saved the lives of their squad... but now Sony drives a Volvo. 



Tease.

I don't know why the OP is reading into this so much. Let's look at what Sony did compared to Nintendo, this generation, when it came to the home Consoles.

Nintendo basically put all their development budget into the controller. Yes, that was a risk, and it payed off big time. But the rest of the console hardware? At best it is a Die shrunk slightly over clocked GC. There was hardly any investment in that area. I am not trying to be derogatory but the big N basically Slimmed the GC, got a faster clocked version and then rewrote the firmware.

Now look at Sony. They invested into a Cell chip factory, invested into Blu-ray development technology, completely left behind any architectural links with the PS2. They literally invested billions knowing full well that when they started selling the thing they would loose a lot on each unit.

Sony knew they had a fight coming with HD DVD. There were no guarantee's for any of this.

Nintendo had to take a conservative approach when it came to capital investment but kudos to them, they took a non-conservative approach to the way that the console would be used. Remember, the code name for the Wii was the Nintendo Revolution. There was no revolution or billions being put on the line with factors and literally technology that had not existed before.

I think Sony's strategy was by far the more risky, from an upfront investment point of view. Nintendo did not do so well with the GC so they had to think outside the box. At the time of developing the Wii I seriously doubt they had the balls to invest literally billions on new CPU development and something like Blu-ray. It would have been silly for them.

Nintendo did the best thing they could have. In that respect, they took a risk but at the same time, they had less to loose when you see how well the GC did in relation the PS2.



Squilliam said:
Reasonable said:
What don't you guys get? They're going to release motion controls next year, how risky is that? Sony are clearly the big risk takers in the industry.

You're not being sarcastic? Well sure, in the war in '51 they were risk takers and saved the lives of their squad... but now Sony drives a Volvo. 

Not at all.  In fact, it occurs to me Sony are such big risk takers they released half of their motion control scheme last gen, and are only releasing the other half this gen.  Damn that's really risky, trusting people to wait that long.



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is Sony jealous that they don't have the mass market anymore?



Nintendo took the ultimate risk with the DS and Wii, and it paid off. The risks Sony have taken, no matter how positive the results, pale in comparison



Reasonable said:
Squilliam said:
Reasonable said:
What don't you guys get? They're going to release motion controls next year, how risky is that? Sony are clearly the big risk takers in the industry.

You're not being sarcastic? Well sure, in the war in '51 they were risk takers and saved the lives of their squad... but now Sony drives a Volvo. 

Not at all.  In fact, it occurs to me Sony are such big risk takers they released half of their motion control scheme last gen, and are only releasing the other half this gen.  Damn that's really risky, trusting people to wait that long.

I see what you mean now.



Tease.

Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS3 has zero games that sold over 10 million ,360 has only one, even combining multiplat sales you have only the games selling over 10 million on the HD twins, Halo 3, Modern warfare and GTA 4, by comparison PS2 had five 10 million sellers on its own

Don't drag yourself off a cliff there. Nintendo's highest selling games are glorified demos (on one disc) that people play once in a blue moon with their friends.



routsounmanman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
routsounmanman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
routsounmanman said:
What about the huge shift in software itself? In this generation, most titles move closer and closer to "blockbusters". Most of them implement popular aspects of different genres to appeal.

Most games nowadays contain shooting or RPG elements to appeal to the broader audience, the "hardcore". The "core" gamers on the contrary seem to flee the industry as there's nothing to interest them after gaming for 20 years or just growing old.

On the other hand, huge wave of "casuals" has entered the market with the Wii, them only interested in really mainstream IPs (like Mario, CoD, Sonic) or just casual titles, like Wii Fit, WSR and EA Sports Active.

In my opinion, the shift in software and consumer tastes has been very significant this gen. Casuals on one hand (through the Wii), and hardcore through the other (via HD) have squeezed the core gaming population out of the equation.

Not exactly. Casuals exist, but core gamers carry the intitial and lifetime sales of hot titles on the 360 and PS3. The Wii is the only system where your statement holds true and the casuals dominante whilst the core are dwindling.

No. Hardcore carry the weight on HD platforms. The best selling games on each platform are shooter games or games with heavy shooting elements (RE5, GTAIV). Thus RPGs failing on all consoles so far this gen (until FFXIII of course)

First of all you're not arguing my point. Second of all Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and and Oblivion all sold well and are WRPG's. JRPG's are the sub genre that is at risk until Final Fantasy XIII comes out. 

Both Fallout 3 and Mass Effect contain heavy shooter elements. The only successful, true RPG that has succeeded thus far is Oblivion, although it's probably nothing compared to its PC iteration sales.

Those are all true WRPG's. They just replaced the sword with a gun for bethesda. The game has similar bethesda mechanics. Mass Effect is classic Bioware style. It reminds me of KOTOR with guns.