I never got what everybody's problem was with the FF7 summons...the longest one was still less than a minute. And you could only get it by completing a side quest that easily took 10 to 15 straight hours. And as much as I like Link, Cloud would beat the shit out of him. And which Link, anyway? Every one of them from every game is different...except for the first two.

Anyway, everyone complaining about Cloud's materia and equipment, Link can never beat Ganondorf without getting at the very least some super-special sword. In the first game it took silver arrows.

How about this?

Best Move---Link----Charge Spin
Best Move---Cloud---Omnislash

Omnislash owns. As do Cross-Slash, Climhazzard, Blade Beam, Meteorain, and Finishing Touch.

And lastly, who they've defeated. Ganondorf vs Sephiroth. Sephiroth would win. (and I'm kind of sick of everyone calling him girly and wussy, no one on this site, yet, but seriously, long hair and lack of bulging muscles does not a wussy make). Watch any cutscene with him in it. Or better yet, just watch AC. Or that Crisis Core video. I don't think I've ever really seen Ganondorf do ANYTHING cool except get killed by Link.

PS---Anyone who has the Gamecube Zelda Collectors Edition, did you notice that they turned Ganondorf's blood green for the scene where Link kills him, in OoT?

i say link

Apostrovich said: And lastly, who they've defeated. Ganondorf vs Sephiroth. Sephiroth would win. (and I'm kind of sick of everyone calling him girly and wussy, no one on this site, yet, but seriously, long hair and lack of bulging muscles does not a wussy make). Watch any cutscene with him in it. Or better yet, just watch AC. Or that Crisis Core video. I don't think I've ever really seen Ganondorf do ANYTHING cool except get killed by Link.

Ganondorf has taken over the world before.

What's Sephiroth done? Burned down a town and failed at pretty much everything else he's ever tried to do.

Words Of Wisdom said: Apostrovich said: And lastly, who they've defeated. Ganondorf vs Sephiroth. Sephiroth would win. (and I'm kind of sick of everyone calling him girly and wussy, no one on this site, yet, but seriously, long hair and lack of bulging muscles does not a wussy make). Watch any cutscene with him in it. Or better yet, just watch AC. Or that Crisis Core video. I don't think I've ever really seen Ganondorf do ANYTHING cool except get killed by Link. Ganondorf has taken over the world before. What's Sephiroth done? Burned down a town and failed at pretty much everything else he's ever tried to do.

 QFT, Ganondorf would beat sephi in a fight because he cant die while he has the triforce of power, and hes had that since OOT, every time you defeat ganondorf its only a matter of time before he returns.. also one question, in the game is sephiroth jenova? or sephiroth?

Words Of Wisdom said: Apostrovich said: And lastly, who they've defeated. Ganondorf vs Sephiroth. Sephiroth would win. (and I'm kind of sick of everyone calling him girly and wussy, no one on this site, yet, but seriously, long hair and lack of bulging muscles does not a wussy make). Watch any cutscene with him in it. Or better yet, just watch AC. Or that Crisis Core video. I don't think I've ever really seen Ganondorf do ANYTHING cool except get killed by Link. Ganondorf has taken over the world before. What's Sephiroth done? Burned down a town and failed at pretty much everything else he's ever tried to do.

 QFT, Ganondorf would beat sephi in a fight because he cant die while he has the triforce of power, and hes had that since OOT, every time you defeat ganondorf its only a matter of time before he returns.. also one question, in the game is sephiroth jenova? or sephiroth?

link without a shadow of a doubt! hes just a legendary hero!

Yeah, except use the entire earth as a life-support/life-absorption machine to turn into basically a god. Even normal Sephiroth would have just chopped Ganondorf in half.

As I said, SEEN Ganondorf do anything cool. All he did in OoT was wait until Link was in stasis and then took over Hyrule Castle (from wussies) and then just kind of emitted evil, then he waited for Link to come kill him. Which was easy. Twilight Princess, same deal. He sits around and waits for Link to show up and kill him. At least 4 of the bosses in FF7 were Sephiroth controlling chunks of Jenova telepathically, he butchered the entire contents of the Shinra building, impaled a 500 foot cobra on a tree, tainted and controlled the lifestream, and tried to crash the entire planet into a another one. Also easily killed 1st class soldier Zack effortlessly. Oh yeah. And he has so far died like 3 times and come back. None of the other Ganons have managed to come back from anything.

Also, speaking of failure, not only does Ganondorf ALWAYS fail, he usually fails as a giant pig, and in OoT, he lost as a giant pig to a mute 7 year old in a 16 year old's body that learned how to use a sword like a week beforehand. And in Twilight Princess he lost to a mute goat herder. (who by the way always had a stupid look on his face in TP, one of the few things I didn't like about the game, one of the others being Ganondorf's hairstyle).

@everdoom
kind of both. Almost every time you see him throughout the game, he's controlling chunks of Jenova with his mind, because he fused with her head in the lifestream. It's the real Sephiroth you fight at the end, but it really is him who actually does everything, just via telepathy.

And Ganondorf never "came back". That would be like saying Sephiroth returned as Ultimecia in FF8, just with a different name. Ganondorf always gets sealed up and he never gets out. Closest a Ganondorf ever came to coming back was in Legend of Zelda 2, and even then it was just his cronies trying to bring him back by killing Link.

Which um... he failed at.



With Sephiroth's win/lose track record, he has better odds of choking on his tongue in the final moments than winning regardless of who he's fighting whether it be Cloud, Link, or Ganondorf.



What is he supposed to do?  Go hunt down a kid with a tiny sword?  He has giant monsters of doom to do that for him.  It's not his fault that some innocuous little kid turns out of be the hero of time and is also sporting the powerful Triforce of Courage.

Besides, Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power... not Wisdom.  ^_^




So... he beat up a centuries old creature and took its power.  Ganondorf took the power of the gods.  Win for Ganon.

He butchered a building's worth of people.  Ganondorf took over an entire world (dark world).

Controlled a massively powerful energy. Triforce of Power.

Crash a planet into one another?  No deal, Ganondorf wants to rule the world not destroy it.  He's evil but not insane.

Slaughter a single guy?  Yeah, I think Ganondorf has done that.

Die and come back?  Ganon has more games than Sephiroth probably ever will, so I think we got that covered too.




A kid with the Triforce of Courage destined to become the Hero of Time/Hero of Hyrule who can master anything and everything he touches instantly is a tad more threatening than you realize.

And Ganondorf at least ruled the world in a couple games.  Sephiroth's biggest claim to fame was trying to destroy the planet and he couldn't even get that right.  When Sephiroth's evil heart can decimate an entire world the way Ganondorf did in Link to the Past, let me know.

CLOUD DUH!

*~Onna76~* said: Cloud a hero, Cloud a warrior? Sorry, but I always found Cloud a bit of a softy, Zack and Barrett are much bigger warriors than Cloud IMO. Link all the way! Only needs a sword and no extra power to kick Ganodorf his ass. Oh and in case no one has noticed it... Link is all on his own, with here and there a little bit of help from a tiny friend. Cloud has a group of 3 fellow warriors fighting along with him plus a few more, watching :P.

 i gotta admit, you make good points. 3 vs 1 isn't make cloud very herioc. Im going by advent childrens cloud by the way, not the ff7 rpg time bar one.  

As for which Link we are talking about, its the TP link. Someone above asked i think.