Hammertime said: lol, those games mentioned above are clearly not bigger IP's....they too will all be outsold by Wii Music. Resistance 2 - 1.67m - c'mon, are you having a laugh?? Vague Nintendo spin offs sell double that!

Why must you compare everything to Nintendo?

NES sold 62 million

SNES sold 50 million

Together, 112 million.

The PS2 sold more than those two combined.

Does that make the NES and SNES failures?

Half Life 2 is clearly the best FPS ever (the Sony version was very buggy though). The PC version is still the best.

Hammertime said: Killzone clearly is one of their biggest IP's seeing as it was hyped beyond belief and deusional Sony fanboys thought it would be the best FPS shooter ever. Apart from Gran Turismo and Gods of war...what Sony IP is bigger??

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.5 N/A 14.89m 09th Jul 01 07th Jul 09 2 Gran Turismo Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.4 N/A 10.85m 30th Apr 98 26th Jun 09 3 Gran Turismo 4 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 10.36m 22nd Feb 05 20th Jun 09 4 Final Fantasy VII Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.7 N/A 9.72m 03rd Sep 97 26th Jun 09 5 Gran Turismo 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 9.37m 17th Jan 99 20th Jun 09 6 Final Fantasy X Square N/A 9.0 N/A 7.95m 24th May 02 30th Jun 09 7 Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 7.57m 31st Oct 97 20th Jun 09 8 Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 7.12m 31st Oct 98 26th Jun 09 9 Tekken 3 Namco N/A 9.6 N/A 6.91m 01st Sep 98 26th Jun 09 10 Crash Bandicoot Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 7.8 N/A 6.80m 01st Sep 96 20th Jun 09 11 Kingdom Hearts Square EA N/A 8.5 N/A 5.50m 15th Nov 02 26th Jun 09 12 Spyro the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 4.91m 10th Sep 98 20th Jun 09 13 Crash Team Racing Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 4.79m 30th Sep 99 26th Jun 09 14 EyeToy Play Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.86m 04th Nov 03 22nd Jun 09 15 Spyro: Year of the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.1 N/A 3.71m 10th Nov 00 20th Jun 09 16 Resistance: Fall of Man Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.5 8.5 3.63m 14th Nov 06 20th Jun 09 17 Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage! Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 3.52m 16th Mar 00 20th Jun 09 18 MotorStorm Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.2 N/A 3.49m 06th Mar 07 28th Sep 09 19 SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.44m 27th Aug 02 26th Nov 08 20 Crash Bash Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 6.8 N/A 3.39m 14th Dec 00 03rd Feb 09 21 The Getaway Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.37m 19th Jan 03 23rd Oct 07 22 God of War Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 3.21m 22nd Mar 05 20th Jun 09 23 Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A 8.9 3.21m 04th Dec 01 20th Jun 09 24 Tekken Namco N/A 7.5 N/A 3.18m 01st Nov 95 14th Apr 09 25 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.4 8.3 N/A 3.15m 15th Apr 08 20th Jun 09 26 Ratchet & Clank (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.93m 07th Nov 02 20th Jun 09 27 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.85m 08th Feb 02 22nd Jul 09 28 Colin McRae Rally Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.79m 31st Jan 00 06th Oct 09 29 SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.65m 04th Nov 03 15th Sep 08 30 Hot Shots Golf 3 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.62m 26th Jul 01 22nd Jul 09 31 Hot Shots Golf Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.59m 05th May 98 22nd Jul 09 32 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.7 8.7 9.2 2.58m 16th Nov 07 06th Sep 09 33 Syphon Filter 989 Studios N/A 9.2 N/A 2.56m 09th Jul 99 21st Jun 09 34 God of War II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 9.8 2.51m 13th Mar 07 20th Jun 09 35 A Bugs Life Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.51m 31st Oct 98 20th Jun 09 36 Final Fantasy Tactics Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.45m 28th Jan 98 10th Jul 09 37 LittleBigPlanet Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 9.2 9.4 9.2 2.43m 28th Oct 08 10th Sep 09 38 Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.42m 21st Nov 03 20th Jun 09 39 Namco Museum Vol.3 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.40m 01st Feb 97 10th Jul 09 40 Daxter Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 2.31m 14th Mar 06 20th Jun 09 41 Jak II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.30m 14th Oct 03 20th Jun 09 42 Twisted Metal 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.27m 01st Feb 97 20th Jun 09 43 ATV Off Road Fury Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.18m 05th Feb 01 18th Nov 07 44 Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (Old all region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.17m 03rd Nov 04 20th Jun 09 45 Namco Museum Vol.1 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.13m 01st Aug 96 10th Jul 09 46 Cool Boarders 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.11m 31st Oct 97 31st Jan 09 47 Tekken: Dark Resurrection Read the review Namco Bandai 8.9 8.7 N/A 1.97m 15th Sep 06 20th Jun 09 48 Syphon Filter 2 989 Studios N/A N/A N/A 1.94m 06th Jul 01 20th Jun 09

Kantor said: Hammertime said: lol, those games mentioned above are clearly not bigger IP's....they too will all be outsold by Wii Music. Resistance 2 - 1.67m - c'mon, are you having a laugh?? Vague Nintendo spin offs sell double that! Why must you compare everything to Nintendo? NES sold 62 million SNES sold 50 million Together, 112 million. The PS2 sold more than those two combined. Does that make the NES and SNES failures?

nope, it makes them all successes, with the PS2 being the biggest success. The market was also far smaller around the nes/snes time, but no doubt about it, the PS2 was a HUGE success and I loved mine.

letsdance said: Hammertime said: Killzone clearly is one of their biggest IP's seeing as it was hyped beyond belief and deusional Sony fanboys thought it would be the best FPS shooter ever. Apart from Gran Turismo and Gods of war...what Sony IP is bigger?? Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.5 N/A 14.89m 09th Jul 01 07th Jul 09 2 Gran Turismo Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.4 N/A 10.85m 30th Apr 98 26th Jun 09 3 Gran Turismo 4 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 10.36m 22nd Feb 05 20th Jun 09 4 Final Fantasy VII Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.7 N/A 9.72m 03rd Sep 97 26th Jun 09 5 Gran Turismo 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 9.37m 17th Jan 99 20th Jun 09 6 Final Fantasy X Square N/A 9.0 N/A 7.95m 24th May 02 30th Jun 09 7 Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 7.57m 31st Oct 97 20th Jun 09 8 Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 7.12m 31st Oct 98 26th Jun 09 9 Tekken 3 Namco N/A 9.6 N/A 6.91m 01st Sep 98 26th Jun 09 10 Crash Bandicoot Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 7.8 N/A 6.80m 01st Sep 96 20th Jun 09 11 Kingdom Hearts Square EA N/A 8.5 N/A 5.50m 15th Nov 02 26th Jun 09 12 Spyro the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 4.91m 10th Sep 98 20th Jun 09 13 Crash Team Racing Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 4.79m 30th Sep 99 26th Jun 09 14 EyeToy Play Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.86m 04th Nov 03 22nd Jun 09 15 Spyro: Year of the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.1 N/A 3.71m 10th Nov 00 20th Jun 09 16 Resistance: Fall of Man Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.5 8.5 3.63m 14th Nov 06 20th Jun 09 17 Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage! Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 3.52m 16th Mar 00 20th Jun 09 18 MotorStorm Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.2 N/A 3.49m 06th Mar 07 28th Sep 09 19 SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.44m 27th Aug 02 26th Nov 08 20 Crash Bash Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 6.8 N/A 3.39m 14th Dec 00 03rd Feb 09 21 The Getaway Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.37m 19th Jan 03 23rd Oct 07 22 God of War Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 3.21m 22nd Mar 05 20th Jun 09 23 Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A 8.9 3.21m 04th Dec 01 20th Jun 09 24 Tekken Namco N/A 7.5 N/A 3.18m 01st Nov 95 14th Apr 09 25 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.4 8.3 N/A 3.15m 15th Apr 08 20th Jun 09 26 Ratchet & Clank (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.93m 07th Nov 02 20th Jun 09 27 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.85m 08th Feb 02 22nd Jul 09 28 Colin McRae Rally Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.79m 31st Jan 00 06th Oct 09 29 SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.65m 04th Nov 03 15th Sep 08 30 Hot Shots Golf 3 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.62m 26th Jul 01 22nd Jul 09 31 Hot Shots Golf Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.59m 05th May 98 22nd Jul 09 32 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.7 8.7 9.2 2.58m 16th Nov 07 06th Sep 09 33 Syphon Filter 989 Studios N/A 9.2 N/A 2.56m 09th Jul 99 21st Jun 09 34 God of War II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 9.8 2.51m 13th Mar 07 20th Jun 09 35 A Bugs Life Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.51m 31st Oct 98 20th Jun 09 36 Final Fantasy Tactics Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.45m 28th Jan 98 10th Jul 09 37 LittleBigPlanet Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 9.2 9.4 9.2 2.43m 28th Oct 08 10th Sep 09 38 Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.42m 21st Nov 03 20th Jun 09 39 Namco Museum Vol.3 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.40m 01st Feb 97 10th Jul 09 40 Daxter Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 2.31m 14th Mar 06 20th Jun 09 41 Jak II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.30m 14th Oct 03 20th Jun 09 42 Twisted Metal 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.27m 01st Feb 97 20th Jun 09 43 ATV Off Road Fury Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.18m 05th Feb 01 18th Nov 07 44 Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (Old all region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.17m 03rd Nov 04 20th Jun 09 45 Namco Museum Vol.1 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.13m 01st Aug 96 10th Jul 09 46 Cool Boarders 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.11m 31st Oct 97 31st Jan 09 47 Tekken: Dark Resurrection Read the review Namco Bandai 8.9 8.7 N/A 1.97m 15th Sep 06 20th Jun 09 48 Syphon Filter 2 989 Studios N/A N/A N/A 1.94m 06th Jul 01 20th Jun 09

 

 

I didn't even read that, but you clearly don't understand what a Sony/Nintendo IP means. Final Fantasy for example is not a Sony IP...Sony may have published a version of the game, but the IP is owned by Square. Seriously, do other posters understand the term ip just incase there is any confusion?

Kantor said: Hammertime said: the facts are that Wii Music will outsell a game that Sony spent a daft amount of money on...I rest my case. A big seller for Nintendo is 20 million+ wheras it appears a big seller for Sony is 2 million+. gjhfkgdfkjngl gknk rjgnkjengkjenrkjn!!!!!!!!!! Nobody is calling Killzone 2 a big seller! It sold way worse than it should have, it's just not fair to compare it to Wii Fit or Mario Kart! Really, how many Ninty franchises have the selling power to break 10 million? Mario Kart, 2D Mario and Wii _ (if that counts) are the only ones. Nintendo has always had better-selling first party, and of course this gen they have a larger install base to sell to. I've heard of people comparing KZ2 to Halo, but this is even worse. Comparing it to a Mario racing game from a 20 year old franchise on Wii? Really?

darthdevidem01 said: Kantor said: Hammertime said: the facts are that Wii Music will outsell a game that Sony spent a daft amount of money on...I rest my case. A big seller for Nintendo is 20 million+ wheras it appears a big seller for Sony is 2 million+. gjhfkgdfkjngl gknk rjgnkjengkjenrkjn!!!!!!!!!! Nobody is calling Killzone 2 a big seller! It sold way worse than it should have, it's just not fair to compare it to Wii Fit or Mario Kart! Really, how many Ninty franchises have the selling power to break 10 million? Mario Kart, 2D Mario and Wii _ (if that counts) are the only ones. Nintendo has always had better-selling first party, and of course this gen they have a larger install base to sell to. I've heard of people comparing KZ2 to Halo, but this is even worse. Comparing it to a Mario racing game from a 20 year old franchise on Wii? Really?

Whose side are you on here, Darth?

Hammertime said: letsdance said: Hammertime said: Killzone clearly is one of their biggest IP's seeing as it was hyped beyond belief and deusional Sony fanboys thought it would be the best FPS shooter ever. Apart from Gran Turismo and Gods of war...what Sony IP is bigger?? Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.5 N/A 14.89m 09th Jul 01 07th Jul 09 2 Gran Turismo Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.4 N/A 10.85m 30th Apr 98 26th Jun 09 3 Gran Turismo 4 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 10.36m 22nd Feb 05 20th Jun 09 4 Final Fantasy VII Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.7 N/A 9.72m 03rd Sep 97 26th Jun 09 5 Gran Turismo 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 9.37m 17th Jan 99 20th Jun 09 6 Final Fantasy X Square N/A 9.0 N/A 7.95m 24th May 02 30th Jun 09 7 Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 7.57m 31st Oct 97 20th Jun 09 8 Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 7.12m 31st Oct 98 26th Jun 09 9 Tekken 3 Namco N/A 9.6 N/A 6.91m 01st Sep 98 26th Jun 09 10 Crash Bandicoot Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 7.8 N/A 6.80m 01st Sep 96 20th Jun 09 11 Kingdom Hearts Square EA N/A 8.5 N/A 5.50m 15th Nov 02 26th Jun 09 12 Spyro the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 4.91m 10th Sep 98 20th Jun 09 13 Crash Team Racing Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.2 N/A 4.79m 30th Sep 99 26th Jun 09 14 EyeToy Play Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.86m 04th Nov 03 22nd Jun 09 15 Spyro: Year of the Dragon Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.1 N/A 3.71m 10th Nov 00 20th Jun 09 16 Resistance: Fall of Man Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.5 8.5 3.63m 14th Nov 06 20th Jun 09 17 Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage! Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 3.52m 16th Mar 00 20th Jun 09 18 MotorStorm Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.5 8.2 N/A 3.49m 06th Mar 07 28th Sep 09 19 SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.44m 27th Aug 02 26th Nov 08 20 Crash Bash Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 6.8 N/A 3.39m 14th Dec 00 03rd Feb 09 21 The Getaway Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 3.37m 19th Jan 03 23rd Oct 07 22 God of War Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 N/A 3.21m 22nd Mar 05 20th Jun 09 23 Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A 8.9 3.21m 04th Dec 01 20th Jun 09 24 Tekken Namco N/A 7.5 N/A 3.18m 01st Nov 95 14th Apr 09 25 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.4 8.3 N/A 3.15m 15th Apr 08 20th Jun 09 26 Ratchet & Clank (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.93m 07th Nov 02 20th Jun 09 27 Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.85m 08th Feb 02 22nd Jul 09 28 Colin McRae Rally Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.79m 31st Jan 00 06th Oct 09 29 SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.65m 04th Nov 03 15th Sep 08 30 Hot Shots Golf 3 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.62m 26th Jul 01 22nd Jul 09 31 Hot Shots Golf Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.59m 05th May 98 22nd Jul 09 32 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 8.7 8.7 9.2 2.58m 16th Nov 07 06th Sep 09 33 Syphon Filter 989 Studios N/A 9.2 N/A 2.56m 09th Jul 99 21st Jun 09 34 God of War II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 9.3 9.8 2.51m 13th Mar 07 20th Jun 09 35 A Bugs Life Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.51m 31st Oct 98 20th Jun 09 36 Final Fantasy Tactics Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.45m 28th Jan 98 10th Jul 09 37 LittleBigPlanet Read the review Sony Computer Entertainment 9.2 9.4 9.2 2.43m 28th Oct 08 10th Sep 09 38 Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (All region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.42m 21st Nov 03 20th Jun 09 39 Namco Museum Vol.3 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.40m 01st Feb 97 10th Jul 09 40 Daxter Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.6 N/A 2.31m 14th Mar 06 20th Jun 09 41 Jak II Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.30m 14th Oct 03 20th Jun 09 42 Twisted Metal 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A 8.7 N/A 2.27m 01st Feb 97 20th Jun 09 43 ATV Off Road Fury Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.18m 05th Feb 01 18th Nov 07 44 Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (Old all region sales) Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.17m 03rd Nov 04 20th Jun 09 45 Namco Museum Vol.1 Namco N/A N/A N/A 2.13m 01st Aug 96 10th Jul 09 46 Cool Boarders 2 Sony Computer Entertainment N/A N/A N/A 2.11m 31st Oct 97 31st Jan 09 47 Tekken: Dark Resurrection Read the review Namco Bandai 8.9 8.7 N/A 1.97m 15th Sep 06 20th Jun 09 48 Syphon Filter 2 989 Studios N/A N/A N/A 1.94m 06th Jul 01 20th Jun 09     I didn't even read that, but you clearly don't understand what a Sony/Nintendo IP means. Final Fantasy for example is not a Sony IP...Sony may have published a version of the game, but the IP is owned by Square. Seriously, do other posters understand the term ip just incase there is any confusion?

Those are the results the database provided him with when he searched for Sony titles.

The fact that such IPs as Spyro, Crash or Final Fantasy are on the list doesn't mean that the point he was trying to make wasn't that every single game on that list sold better than Killzone 2 (unfortunately I'd say), man of 71 posts.

still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't understand what IP's are...if he did he would of edited the list.

Kantor said: darthdevidem01 said: Kantor said: Hammertime said: the facts are that Wii Music will outsell a game that Sony spent a daft amount of money on...I rest my case. A big seller for Nintendo is 20 million+ wheras it appears a big seller for Sony is 2 million+. gjhfkgdfkjngl gknk rjgnkjengkjenrkjn!!!!!!!!!! Nobody is calling Killzone 2 a big seller! It sold way worse than it should have, it's just not fair to compare it to Wii Fit or Mario Kart! Really, how many Ninty franchises have the selling power to break 10 million? Mario Kart, 2D Mario and Wii _ (if that counts) are the only ones. Nintendo has always had better-selling first party, and of course this gen they have a larger install base to sell to. I've heard of people comparing KZ2 to Halo, but this is even worse. Comparing it to a Mario racing game from a 20 year old franchise on Wii? Really? Whose side are you on here, Darth?

YOUR SIDE KANTOR!

but I love pokemon too & like to see it get credit