Oh boy, i said something, you replied with something that had absolutely nothing do do with my comment. In other words, you are a moron. Now this is just hilarious... NO!!! You retard, YOU are missing the point, i've never mentioned anything about who's gonna be this generation's winner yet you couple of dumbasses keep mentioning it. Seriously, i tried to be nice but you guys simply don't understand. I hope i don't get warned or anything for this, but i just couldn't stand it.

While you are right that you can measure graphics, it's still just as much of an opinion as gameplay. It may sound weird, but I like Diddy Kong Racing DS's Graphics verses the original. You may say the original is better because it's smother, but I like the jagged look. Also, I think Super Paper Mario has better graphics then God of War 2. Does it? Probobly not, but the art style blows GoW away. And if you want evidence it is an opinion, we'll take God of War 2 and Legend of Zelda:Twilight Princess. Their graphics are about the same, with not to much difference. So, which is better. You may say GoW2 is better, but I may say LoZ:TP is better. While you can tell quality, the artistic styling are really going to go much farther. The style is what will peak your interest, or lower it. So, trying to use opinions as facts, are we??? You get a M for Meh. I still fail to see any hard difference between HD and non-HD. HD is just "High Definition" so by that defenition it's essentually clearer shots. Usually when seeing HD and non-HD side by side, I see no real difference. Sure, the HD looks a bit better, but not all that much so. This is just me talking, but with the normal flow of conversation, you missed the point. We jumped of the outdated thing a while back. But also, the fact whether the Wii will win is half the conversation. WE are discusing wether this lack of power really matters in the first placwe. Can the Wii still win without HD. So, yes we are staying on topic.

xD It gets funnier and funnier... I really don't think you believe all the crap you just said. Specially since God of War is known for it's amazing "Artistic design" and has won many awards. God of War pic: http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/760/760481/god-of-war-ii-shots-20070201111219253.jpg Super Paper Mario: http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/771/771352/super-paper-mario--20070307071403701.jpg Zelda TP: http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/745/745389/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-20061110104850774.jpg I think God of War is the clear winner here. Also, if you care about artistic design, why don't you get Okami instead? PIC: http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/707/707250/okami-20060510020750791.jpg The truth is you don't care about the artistic design and it's amazing to read all the bullshit that comes out of your mouth Download an HD vid. The picture he gave you was a bad example actually, but still looks better, as i showed you before. ... And you still don't get it. Please show me where i discussed about the wii winning without HD or anything related. Since you won't i'll save some time and tell you this: Don't reply, your points suck. The only one who realised he had made a mistake when he replied my post was RolStoppable.

You know guys, you can debate or even argue extremely different and opposing opinions while still respecting eachother and keeping it friendly. Just a thought guys.

hide behind your graphics all you want PS3 fans. you say gameplay is an opinion? well apparently most people agree on this opinion. but you want facts? well, i guess i wont argue gameplay cause that apparently doesnt count because the PS3 doesnt have it and the Wii does. heres some numbers: the wii is selling way more consoles and way more of each game. isnt that the ultamate statistic? or does the PS3 and all games get a thousand copies added on for graphics? kamwahl, quit twisting everybodys words. the person who gave the statistic about the Wii sports sold, you said had nothing to do with what you said? well, what you said was that MY opinoin was it was more fun than any of those PS3 games (that are only slightly better, or should i say, different, than their PS2 predessessors) and that gameplay and fun was an opinion. he/she gave the statistics on how many copies of a, generally speaking, demo game sold in Japan compared to those other games sold everywhere. what does that measure? does that measure how good the graphics are? i dont think, because the graphics for wii sports are baby graphics, not even meant to be good. does it measure gameplay? i dont know, but it definatly measures one thing: HOW FUN IT IS!! if a game is boring its not going to sell too well. i dont care what console its for, how much it cost, and how good its graphics are. it may do alright, but not sell that amazingly well. it did have to do with what you spoke of, so quit flamming everyone for argueing against you. cheers.

Maybe I don't get your point ... No one except for a delusional fanboy would argue that the PS2 was more powerful than the Gamecube; on top of that the Wii is more poweful than the Gamecube so the Wii can easily produce better looking games than God of War. Now, you also link to a picture that is 640 x 376 which is lower resolution than 480p to describe how great the game is at HD resolutions ... Overall, your entire argument demonstrates how Nintendo's strategy with the Wii is correct because (with good artists) a game can be beautiful on the Wii and even PS3 fans don't have a clue what HD is ...

Graphics are only part of the equation to a good game. Personally, I feel that this last generation wasn't that impressive to earlier games from previous consoles or PC games. http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?publicUserId=5783788&bId=7828676 Soulxxx, these are my personal favorite games of all time, what relations can you see between them? I ask for a good reason, I'd like an honest reply (from anyone as a matter of fact, but most specifically Soulxxx).

I don't see it as harsh. I see it as a stylistic direction. I think a Cartoony Game like Jet Grind Radio or the Wii DBZ game looks gorgeous. Those type of games will look the same if they utilized HD and were ported to the PS3. And as for gameplay, I don't know if a game like "wario ware" or "cooking mama" would be any better if it was on HD anyways. And I will concede the point to you that the Wii has the potential to be at LEAST Xbox x 2 in terms of graphics and power. Just as Sony can't get into a price war with Nintendo or Microsoft, Nintendo shouldn't try to get into a graphics war with Sony. You might as well gracefully accept defeat in the graphics department and go and play with your Mii or something. I'd say THAT is a bit harsh. Graphics aside, I'd personally rather be the company that's out pacing the competition by a ratio of 2:1 than the other way around. I would argue that the Nintendo DS's graphics are N64 generation level graphics at best and it might go on to be the best selling system ever.... that is... if it ever beats the Gameboy, which sports like SNES level graphics! ____ and on to a sidepoint The jump from NES to SNES was pretty significant, since the the NES laid the foundation for 2-d platformers and then the SNES perfected it. Then the jump from SNES to N64/PSX was huge too, they laid the foundation for 3D games to come. From there came the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox, and these consoles were powerful enough to essentially perfect the 3D genres (i.e. FPSes, Flight sims, etc.) So is the jump to this current generation just the introduction of HD? Any new Genres or refinements to existing genres? For example, Gran Turismo HD will look fabulous on PS3, but won't it play exactly like it did for PS2? Contrast this with the fundamental jump from say, Super Mario Brothers to Mario 64?

Retard hey? Because I replied to another post in this thread? What is the thread about - the bleeding obvious? Or is it about the definition of "outdated"? Are NES graphics outdated today? Yes. Does it matter? No. EDIT: Maybe the thread should be retitled "Will graphics from 2007 look outdated on technology in 2011". But hey, there isn't much to discuss argue about then. You can try and argue that 2007 is a bigger number than 2011, but I don't think people will listen to you ;) BTW - I was playing Zelda last night, and was AMAZED at how beautiful so many parts of the game were. I wasn't even noticing it, until I actually stopped and had a proper look at it. Not bad for a GC port.

Personally, I wouldn't say "Cartoony Game" and would use the term "Stylized Game" mainly because I think games like No More Heroes (Killer 7) and Timesplitters are not supposed to be realistic but they're not cartoonie either; they're created in a non-photorealistic fashion and do not (necessarily) benefit as much from greater graphical performance as much as they benefit from greater artistic direction.