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Stromprophet on 27 March 2007

Narfer said: good post. the wii cant be dead in a year and a half. its getting better 3rd party support than any other console, and nintendo has ALWAYS had the best platformers, and no one can argue that. thanks to the platformers, nintendo consoles could never die, and the Wii the greatest nintindo console to date, and no one can argue that either. so now, if you cant argue any of those things, then how can it die...ever?
Just because they have gotten "some" third party support I don't think they will still garner "the most" simply because they will be missing out on a large chunk of HD only games coming from all 3rd party devs to both the PS3/360. Simply look at the release schedules for the systems currently. Both 360 and PS3 have more games coming on tap than Wii does. So how is it they have the most 3rd party support? If you consider Metroid, Zelda, Mario to be the best platformers. I guess.....but I grew up and out of that phase. I can name a few platformers that would certainly challenge Nintendos these years. Wii is the greatest? Lets see if it can top the Nintendo before we argue that. That's a pretty tall order in and of itself. I see a lot of people saying Launch numbers don't mean anything. So I'm inclined to wait and see. I might get a Wii one day, but for me I could spend 200 bucks better. On a video Ipod, or a PSP which has much more functionality. At this point in life and technology I'm simply no longer interested in products that only do one thing.



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vanguardian1 on 27 March 2007

Yeah, right. In Japan, HDTV's have a significant install base, but it doesn't seem to be helping HD Media or consoles so far. North America has 18% HDTV penetration as of the end of last year, we'll say up to 25% by the end of this year (the pricing is still non-mainstream, like it or not), and Europe's HDTV penetration, last I heard, was less than 10%. I don't see HDTV "skyrocketing" while you can get a good 32" SDTV for almost half the price of a new 27" HDTV, and while the prices will change, it WILL take time. And even when HDTV penetration hits 50% in North America (which I don't see before 2010 at earliest), that alone doesn't signify that they suddenly won't be interested in a console with a lot of good stuff to play on it. It's like telling people that their VHS tapes were completely useless when DVD came out, yes it started to take over, and YES, there WERE people who completely abandoned VHS and switched to DVD, but how many YEARS did that take? HDTV won't be important enough for the mainstream probably until near or at the end of the Wii's lifespan, which I think, as the thread is named, will probably be 2011, maybe 2012 if it can continue getting excellent games. The question is, is how well the Wii can keep going for the foreseen future? If the Wii can grab a significant majority of the casual gamer market (with the wiimote, media publicity and price tag it certainly can) as well as a fair share of the hardcore market (a small minority will buy it as their main console, and a fair-but-substantial base of 360/PS3 users will also own one as well, simply due to it's library) and suddenly you have a console that has an excellent shot of reaching 50 million before the end of it's life span. Maybe even 75 million. ;)



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Stromprophet on 27 March 2007

vanguardian1 said: Yeah, right. In Japan, HDTV's have a significant install base, but it doesn't seem to be helping HD Media or consoles so far. North America has 18% HDTV penetration as of the end of last year, we'll say up to 25% by the end of this year (the pricing is still non-mainstream, like it or not), and Europe's HDTV penetration, last I heard, was less than 10%. I don't see HDTV "skyrocketing" while you can get a good 32" SDTV for almost half the price of a new 27" HDTV, and while the prices will change, it WILL take time. And even when HDTV penetration hits 50% in North America (which I don't see before 2010 at earliest), that alone doesn't signify that they suddenly won't be interested in a console with a lot of good stuff to play on it. It's like telling people that their VHS tapes were completely useless when DVD came out, yes it started to take over, and YES, there WERE people who completely abandoned VHS and switched to DVD, but how many YEARS did that take? HDTV won't be important enough for the mainstream probably until near or at the end of the Wii's lifespan, which I think, as the thread is named, will probably be 2011, maybe 2012 if it can continue getting excellent games. The question is, is how well the Wii can keep going for the foreseen future? If the Wii can grab a significant majority of the casual gamer market (with the wiimote, media publicity and price tag it certainly can) as well as a fair share of the hardcore market (a small minority will buy it as their main console, and a fair-but-substantial base of 360/PS3 users will also own one as well, simply due to it's library) and suddenly you have a console that has an excellent shot of reaching 50 million before the end of it's life span. Maybe even 75 million. ;)
Actually last year HDTV was more than 50% of all new tv purchases. So if you going to sell a NEW product wouldn't you want one that takes advantage of the majority of new tvs being purchased? Yes, people with tubes will continue to by for old technology, but they are far less likely to be shopping for new technology products. Everyone getting a new HDTV is very likely to be looking to take advantage of the HD. 500 dollars. I'd call that easily mainstream. Tubes used to cost more than that just 7 or 8 years ago. Talk to more people. I was just talking about this last night. I'd rather stay home and watch great HD than go to the movies anymore. Naturally the more HDTV I watch the more I'm interested in taking advantage of my great TV. I start looking at Hi-def movies, and Hi-def players. Oh, here's two consoles that can both take advantage of that for me. Easy decision. I'm sick of buying products that can only do one thing. I'm sorry, the world is more advanced and most of our products should have additional functionality. I'm not wasting money on something that doesn't.



sieanr on 27 March 2007

Kamahl said:Yeah, cause there are no Gran Turismo, God of War, MGS, FF, Uncharted, Eight Days, Warhawk, Resistance, Motorstorm, etc fans and PS3 will never get a price drop.
How can there be fans of a game that has yet to be released? How many fans are there of some of these new franchises? And I thought you could do better...



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

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vanguardian1 on 27 March 2007

I call $300 mainstream, personally. And I honestly wonder about the details of that "50%+ HDTV purchases" statistic, it just sounds fishy to me, like a "Sony Spin"(tm). ;)



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Smashchu on 27 March 2007

Kamahl said: Smashchu said: Well, i see how your minds work now... Some of you kept saying that the Wii is better cause it has sold more units (not with those exact words, but that's what those posts meant), that is people's opinion, but when i say god of war won many awards, it's not a valid point? I trust the professionals more, i don't know about you. two things 1)If the Wii sold more units, then it must be better in some way to be able to keep up sales like this 2)No, the GoW thing wasn't really that valid. I was saying that Graphics are still an opinion, you got defensive and said GoW is better n00b!!11 then I said, well, thats THEIR opinion. If they like it, fine. I, personally see nothing that spectacular in it. You, on the other hand, do. Thus, it is an opinion
Please show me the vid. I will laugh if you come with the "I cant find the link" excuse.
Fine, but I know how this is ganna go down. You'll be like "OMG, that was a crappy vid" or "Are you teh blind?". http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2686 It'ss the 2006 Nintendo world ones
Yeah, cause real world conversations are so similar to forums conversations...
Yeah, pretty much. It will shift because of a tanget someone brings up, a joke, or a side note. The thing is that they used sales as a reason to debate with my post, and it had nothing to do with my comment. So it would be everyone else's fault not mine. Smashchu said: I hate to say this, but he has a point. He's preety much gummed up the post with his non-scence. Please, show me my "non-scence"
Maybe non-scence wasn't the best word. But, just look at this..
The day the Wii gets a good driving game like Gran Turismo, an amazing sandbox game like GTA, and other games like God of War, Resistance, motorstorm or anything like that, i might consider getting one.
Blanten fanboyism
Oh boy, i said something, you replied with something that had absolutely nothing do do with my comment. In other words, you are a moron.
Being a jerk. BTW, the point was that while you may not think it's fun, everyone else seems to.
xD It gets funnier and funnier... I really don't think you believe all the crap you just said. Specially since God of War is known for it's amazing "Artistic design" and has won many awards. God of War pic:
Also, talking about "Artistic Design" that's quality, not design. Plus, better screen shots for SPM. In that GoW pic, there isn't much artistic design. It's nothing special. The SPM(while poor quality) made great use of colors and other odd ball elements. Theres more, but you used such a bad screen shot. Is better. The uswe of geometric shaps and the patterns in the sky. Definatly a lot more creative. Also, the Zelda shot is pure beauity using the magnificant sunset adds a mood setter. GoW is bit chiche, but thats besides the point.
First of all, i don't even know what is that supposed to mean. Who the hell is hiding? Second of all, reading your post made my eyes hurt.[quote] Being a jurk(again). Also, you "hide behind graphics" by quoting my post and saying "GoW graphics are better" basiclly being a arrogent idiot. As I said, that quality not design. [quote] You also said, the PS3 doesn't have gameplay and the Wii does, that is clearly one of the most retarded things i've ever read. The PS3 plays games just like we have always played them, you are basically saying that games from the past had no gameplay, nice one, retard.
You had a point, then lost it though insults. Also, if we wish to use critic's opinions, many PS3 games aren't as fun becuase they just suck, can't handle the hardware, or focus more on graphics(Motorsports). Most people don't find them fun becuase the things that mad them fun on the PS2, are los in the Cell processor, but this is kind of an opinion, so I'll stop there. But, ask most people, they'll tell you the Wii is funner.
You quoted me, you were replying to me not another post. don't lie.
Just an observation, but Sham usually used you as an example, not to reply to your messages. Evident from his first quote. Sadly to say, I'll stop there. My post is probobly ssky high. Half of the problem man, is you reply with insults and basiclly be a jurk. Really, chill your language. We can have an intelligent dissusion, but using insults makes you look like an idiot. Just FYI.



Alacrist on 28 March 2007

Stromprophet said: vanguardian1 said: Yeah, right. In Japan, HDTV's have a significant install base, but it doesn't seem to be helping HD Media or consoles so far. North America has 18% HDTV penetration as of the end of last year, we'll say up to 25% by the end of this year (the pricing is still non-mainstream, like it or not), and Europe's HDTV penetration, last I heard, was less than 10%. I don't see HDTV "skyrocketing" while you can get a good 32" SDTV for almost half the price of a new 27" HDTV, and while the prices will change, it WILL take time. And even when HDTV penetration hits 50% in North America (which I don't see before 2010 at earliest), that alone doesn't signify that they suddenly won't be interested in a console with a lot of good stuff to play on it. It's like telling people that their VHS tapes were completely useless when DVD came out, yes it started to take over, and YES, there WERE people who completely abandoned VHS and switched to DVD, but how many YEARS did that take? HDTV won't be important enough for the mainstream probably until near or at the end of the Wii's lifespan, which I think, as the thread is named, will probably be 2011, maybe 2012 if it can continue getting excellent games. The question is, is how well the Wii can keep going for the foreseen future? If the Wii can grab a significant majority of the casual gamer market (with the wiimote, media publicity and price tag it certainly can) as well as a fair share of the hardcore market (a small minority will buy it as their main console, and a fair-but-substantial base of 360/PS3 users will also own one as well, simply due to it's library) and suddenly you have a console that has an excellent shot of reaching 50 million before the end of it's life span. Maybe even 75 million. ;) Actually last year HDTV was more than 50% of all new tv purchases. So if you going to sell a NEW product wouldn't you want one that takes advantage of the majority of new tvs being purchased? Yes, people with tubes will continue to by for old technology, but they are far less likely to be shopping for new technology products. Everyone getting a new HDTV is very likely to be looking to take advantage of the HD. 500 dollars. I'd call that easily mainstream. Tubes used to cost more than that just 7 or 8 years ago. Talk to more people. I was just talking about this last night. I'd rather stay home and watch great HD than go to the movies anymore. Naturally the more HDTV I watch the more I'm interested in taking advantage of my great TV. I start looking at Hi-def movies, and Hi-def players. Oh, here's two consoles that can both take advantage of that for me. Easy decision. I'm sick of buying products that can only do one thing. I'm sorry, the world is more advanced and most of our products should have additional functionality. I'm not wasting money on something that doesn't.
Can i get some links?



 

  

 

Stromprophet on 28 March 2007

vanguardian1 said: I call $300 mainstream, personally. And I honestly wonder about the details of that "50%+ HDTV purchases" statistic, it just sounds fishy to me, like a "Sony Spin"(tm). ;)
For TV? No. You need to go back to the 90s. A lot of TVs cost more than 300 dollars and people bought them. They don't consider a TV a minor purchase. It's equivalent to a sizable expenditure. I am saying 50%+ for the year, not penetration. It's not spin, it's been reported several times if you simply watch news stations, or CNBC when they talk about the price reductions of HDTVs which are expected to drop another 30% or more this year.



Alacrist on 28 March 2007

Question? Will the casual gamer who buys the Wii for Wii Sports care about graphics?



 

  

 

HappySqurriel on 28 March 2007

Stromprophet said: For TV? No. You need to go back to the 90s. A lot of TVs cost more than 300 dollars and people bought them. They don't consider a TV a minor purchase. It's equivalent to a sizable expenditure. I am saying 50%+ for the year, not penetration. It's not spin, it's been reported several times if you simply watch news stations, or CNBC when they talk about the price reductions of HDTVs which are expected to drop another 30% or more this year.
Well, HDTV capable TVs representing 50% of the market in a given year is a reasonable sign there are a few things to consider; a large portion of HDTV sales will be to homes which already have a HDTV, and not all game systems end up being hooked up to the 'Main' TV in the house. Before Christmas a co-worker of mine was replacing the TV in each of his children's rooms with a HDTV because it could work as both a TV and a monitor. I also still know lots of people who plan to replace the HDTV they bought in 2001-2003 because they only support component rather than HDMI input. These sales represent an increase in HDTV sales but do not really represent an increase in HDTV market penetration. The other thing to consider is that in any house with children (or a wife/girlfriend) there is a good possibility that the gaming system will be hooked up to a tv that is in the den rather than the large living room TV; at the same time you would expect that the large living room TV is more likely to be a HDTV than the Den TV. Now, in 2009 or 2010 you probably won't be able to buy standard definition tvs anymore so at that point HDTV will rapidly eat away at the remaining market share of Standard Definition television; until that point I doubt that HDTV will be available in the majority of homes in the developed world.