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Kenny said:
theRepublic said:

I'm not too knowledgeable on PC gaming history. Is it really that bad compared to where it was before?

There are still plenty of games, aren't there?  I guess you could say it is not as influential anymore, but it still seems fairly healthy.

I'm one of those people who are old enough to remember the following names: Starflight, Star Control 2, X-Com, and Ultima, among others.  15-20 years ago, these were considered to be the apex of PC games.  In some ways, these games have not been surpassed.  Starflight and Star Control 2 gave you giant galaxies to explore with interesting plots, Star Control was astonishingly well-balanced for the number of ships it incorporated, X-Com was an incredibly compelling turn based strategy game that often led to One More Turn syndrome, and Ultima...  well, if you haven't ever played Ultima 7 Part 1, you really owe it to yourself to give it a try.  One of the finest open ended RPG series to ever exist, before Origin was bought out and ground into the dirt by EA Games.

Compared to these classics, it feels like games that are coming out today are nothing more than newer iterations of the formulas that work, with better graphics and little else.  In that, PC gaming feels like it has stagnated in recent years.  I acknowledge that some of those refinements have led to some truly great games, like Call of Duty 4 and Supreme Commander, but I just can't find any game that brings back the feelings evoked by the classics.  Maybe I'm just older, and I just don't have the time to get sucked into games like I used to before university, and maybe it's just part of growing up to lose interest, but there isn't much I wouldn't give to rediscover the "spirit" the old games had, for want of a better word.

Thanks for the answer.

I'm still interested in hearing from more people.  Malstrom tends to exaggerate, so I want to know how close he is to the truth on this.  My Dad didn't like games on the computer, so I was always more of a console gamer.  As a consequence, I don't know PC gaming history as well as I do the consoles' gaming history.



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Kenny said:
theRepublic said:

I'm not too knowledgeable on PC gaming history. Is it really that bad compared to where it was before?

There are still plenty of games, aren't there?  I guess you could say it is not as influential anymore, but it still seems fairly healthy.

I'm one of those people who are old enough to remember the following names: Starflight, Star Control 2, X-Com, and Ultima, among others.  15-20 years ago, these were considered to be the apex of PC games.  In some ways, these games have not been surpassed.  Starflight and Star Control 2 gave you giant galaxies to explore with interesting plots, Star Control was astonishingly well-balanced for the number of ships it incorporated, X-Com was an incredibly compelling turn based strategy game that often led to One More Turn syndrome, and Ultima...  well, if you haven't ever played Ultima 7 Part 1, you really owe it to yourself to give it a try.  One of the finest open ended RPG series to ever exist, before Origin was bought out and ground into the dirt by EA Games.

Compared to these classics, it feels like games that are coming out today are nothing more than newer iterations of the formulas that work, with better graphics and little else.  In that, PC gaming feels like it has stagnated in recent years.  I acknowledge that some of those refinements have led to some truly great games, like Call of Duty 4 and Supreme Commander, but I just can't find any game that brings back the feelings evoked by the classics.  Maybe I'm just older, and I just don't have the time to get sucked into games like I used to before university, and maybe it's just part of growing up to lose interest, but there isn't much I wouldn't give to rediscover the "spirit" the old games had, for want of a better word.



You will never find that same feeling again, even though new games will bring their own fresh contribution. Same as the feeling of the first movie you loved as a child at the theater, or the feeling of the first alternative band you listened when you were 16. Innocence once lost cannot be regained.

I'm one of those people old enough to remember Elite and M.U.L.E., Alternate Reality and Planetfall and REVS. I was at the university when people started playing UFO and Ultima 7 and X-com. And some of my co-eds talked exactly like you, reminiscing the good games of olde :)

Recent years have not stagnated in PC land. They brought us cult pop phenomenons such as the Sims and geeky worlds such as the myriads of community-mantained games based on the Neverwinter Nights engines. Indie games are on the rise, and great developers like Valve and Blizzard have shown what can be done out of apparently estabilished genres such as FPS or dungeon crawlers. Plus there's been the going mainstream of MMOs, that will surely bring interesting fruits as soon as the incumbent monolith of WoW will show its cracks.

Overall, there's plenty of good stuff. Much of it has limited appeal for a text adventure gamer like me, but I recognize my perspective as such.



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"..." - Gordon Freeman

Maybe Sony and Sega are, but Nintendo should stay standing.



Of course a lot of new games are just copies from former games with better graphics and some new features. The older games were innovative they were completly new. There is a lot to invent with new technologies. But right now they just offer better graphics and starting with this generation a new type of Controls. But even this Concept is not new. I love a lot of old games and they are still some of the best games i ever played. And the Human Brain connect former Stuff with the feelings we had in this time the brain is selective and remembers longterm just the good feelings (except something really horrible happened) and connects it with the stuff from the time music games people countries which we saw things which we did its easier to store stuff in that way. this is called nostalgia. We like mostly what we experienced in the past.

And I bet even now that I had a better feeling playing Super Mario World than I have now if i am playing Fallout 3 or something. And still have my Games Collection and enjoy them from time to time. But honestly I wouldnt change the Librarys from now vs 18 years ago library. In 20 years i will think back and remember how good the games where 20 years ago but the games i played in my childhood or teenager years will always be the best.

The MMO Gaming has a giant potential which will create completly new types of gaming combined with new technologies. The gaming industry is not that bad. Of course there is a lot of commercialism and they are milking concepts until they destroy them but for example Nintendo they started something new now everyone follows this concept and they saw ok the customers accepted it so how can we milk that and they try a lot of new stuff with it. Sony and MS will do the same but they will change it a little and do it their way. The Wii was a Revolution now starts the evolution for the next gen atleast and then somebody will come up with something new. There will be a day where FPS are a old concept and nobody will play them. Who knows what kind of games will entertain us in 50 years.

I have to admit this gen entertains me way more than the last. If I see it as a whole. The last gen was just a spin off from the gen before that with better graphics. This gen the Online gaming came in plus the Motion Controls and i have the feeling there is more to come. This gen is exiting if I compare it to the last one but i guess some other folks which grow up with the last gen will consider that one as the best. Thats the circle of life the same reason why the old people always think that the youth from today is lazy and a bunch of disrespectful criminals that said the teachers 2000 years ago in the old rome that said the old ones to our grandparents and we will say the same to our grandchilds.

The Industry of gaming was always doomed the whole world is always doomed in every generation people thought that its the last generation and they will be doomed.

The gaming Industry is not doomed infact its at the peak right now and it was at the peak a generation before that and before that. And the next generation will be even bigger. PC Gaming has seen a decline. The first reason is that you had to move on with your hardware. I remember a time where i spend 500 Dollars to update my PC for one Game. So i could play just one stupid game. Thats a big reason why a lot of people moved to Consoles. Maybe consoles will die in the future but gaming will have a long life.



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piracy killed the pc game industry, not the game industry itself. This guy is a raving lunatic.



theprof00 said:
piracy killed the pc game industry, not the game industry itself. This guy is a raving lunatic.

PC gaming was in decline long before piracy became relevant

 

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Avinash_Tyagi said:
theprof00 said:
piracy killed the pc game industry, not the game industry itself. This guy is a raving lunatic.

PC gaming was in decline long before piracy became relevant

well i'm sure that $1000+ pcs didn't have anything to do with the decline of pc gaming.



Malstrom is gaming's equivalent of Nostradamus.

PC Gaming in general is fine. Sure, it's not as great as the good old days when nearly every PC was capable of running AAA games like Doom but to think PC gaming is dead or otherwise still declining is a fallacy.



The industry is too inwardly focused, i'll grant that.



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