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SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
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and the "better" liberal policies are?

here's a few you can start with:

1) pull out of the war
2) abolish tuition fees
3) proportional representation
4) proggressive taxation
5) more funding for the NHS/Education system
6) abolish faith schools
7) legalise less dangerous drugs
8) close tax loopholes
9) better public transport (trains, buses, etc)
10) abolish the monarchy
11) make the lords elected (if not fully, then atleast like 75%)
12) proper action on climate change (more renewable energy, no nuclear either, its not safe or viable from what ive read, we probably dont need nuclear weapons either, so they can go too)

1) This isn't possible. Terrorism is not over, Afghanistan has not recovered, if we pulled out, the training camps would re-open, and nothing would be achieved.

2) Some schools need to charge fees. If you are willing to pay the fees, send your child there. If not, send him or her to a state/grammar school. There's no need to lump school fees onto taxes.

3) NO. This may be fair, but it's how Weimar crumbled and how the Nazi Party came to power. With a party like the BNP, we don't want to be anywhere near proportional representation.

4) To a certain extent, yes. Not to Labour levels.

5) That would be nice.

6) What do you mean? Convents? Let them stay.

7) This achieves nothing. Even the least dangerous of drugs can be harmful.

8) If there are any, sure.

9) Agreed. Also, make it cheaper.

10) There's no point. The monarchs don't rule us, they are figureheads. They've been in England for millenia. You can't just say "Hey, Queenie, you're out. Your palace will be demolished in a week".

11) Absolutely.

12) Nuclear is safe, and it's important to keep nuclear power. You just have to properly dispose of the waste.

So, would that be the Green Party? I would not like to see what they would turn the country into.



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Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
@scifiboys

and the "better" liberal policies are?

here's a few you can start with:

1) pull out of the war
2) abolish tuition fees
3) proportional representation
4) proggressive taxation
5) more funding for the NHS/Education system
6) abolish faith schools
7) legalise less dangerous drugs
8) close tax loopholes
9) better public transport (trains, buses, etc)
10) abolish the monarchy
11) make the lords elected (if not fully, then atleast like 75%)
12) proper action on climate change (more renewable energy, no nuclear either, its not safe or viable from what ive read, we probably dont need nuclear weapons either, so they can go too)

1) This isn't possible. Terrorism is not over, Afghanistan has not recovered, if we pulled out, the training camps would re-open, and nothing would be achieved. wow, fail, if you read the thread, I listed at least 5 good reasons why the war is stupid

2) Some schools need to charge fees. If you are willing to pay the fees, send your child there. If not, send him or her to a state/grammar school. There's no need to lump school fees onto taxes. im talking about Universities here, schools already work like that...Uni's though, there is NO free to access option

3) NO. This may be fair, but it's how Weimar crumbled and how the Nazi Party came to power. With a party like the BNP, we don't want to be anywhere near proportional representation. the BNP have nowhere near the support of the Nazis, utter drivel and fearmongering, grow up please

4) To a certain extent, yes. Not to Labour levels. clarify?

5) That would be nice.

6) What do you mean? Convents? Let them stay. why? do we have Labour and Tory schools? nope, so why pander to religous groups if not to all other special interest groups

7) This achieves nothing. Even the least dangerous of drugs can be harmful. harmful like Alcohol or Tobbaco you mean?

8) If there are any, sure.

9) Agreed. Also, make it cheaper.

10) There's no point. The monarchs don't rule us, they are figureheads. They've been in England for millenia. You can't just say "Hey, Queenie, you're out. Your palace will be demolished in a week". as ive said, turn there palace's and shit into museums for all i care, no point in them, or wasting money on there muppetry

11) Absolutely.

12) Nuclear is safe, and it's important to keep nuclear power. You just have to properly dispose of the waste. okay, im still a little hestitant but after reading what people have said, im more open to nuclear now

So, would that be the Green Party? I would not like to see what they would turn the country into. actually the Green party are left of some of these issues even, its why id prefer a more moderate left wing party, sadly, there is none

 



SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
@scifiboys

and the "better" liberal policies are?

here's a few you can start with:

1) pull out of the war
2) abolish tuition fees
3) proportional representation
4) proggressive taxation
5) more funding for the NHS/Education system
6) abolish faith schools
7) legalise less dangerous drugs
8) close tax loopholes
9) better public transport (trains, buses, etc)
10) abolish the monarchy
11) make the lords elected (if not fully, then atleast like 75%)
12) proper action on climate change (more renewable energy, no nuclear either, its not safe or viable from what ive read, we probably dont need nuclear weapons either, so they can go too)

1) This isn't possible. Terrorism is not over, Afghanistan has not recovered, if we pulled out, the training camps would re-open, and nothing would be achieved. wow, fail, if you read the thread, I listed at least 5 good reasons why the war is stupid

2) Some schools need to charge fees. If you are willing to pay the fees, send your child there. If not, send him or her to a state/grammar school. There's no need to lump school fees onto taxes. im talking about Universities here, schools already work like that...Uni's though, there is NO free to access option

3) NO. This may be fair, but it's how Weimar crumbled and how the Nazi Party came to power. With a party like the BNP, we don't want to be anywhere near proportional representation. the BNP have nowhere near the support of the Nazis, utter drivel and fearmongering, grow up please

4) To a certain extent, yes. Not to Labour levels. clarify?

5) That would be nice.

6) What do you mean? Convents? Let them stay. why? do we have Labour and Tory schools? nope, so why pander to religous groups if not to all other special interest groups

7) This achieves nothing. Even the least dangerous of drugs can be harmful. harmful like Alcohol or Tobbaco you mean?

8) If there are any, sure.

9) Agreed. Also, make it cheaper.

10) There's no point. The monarchs don't rule us, they are figureheads. They've been in England for millenia. You can't just say "Hey, Queenie, you're out. Your palace will be demolished in a week". as ive said, turn there palace's and shit into museums for all i care, no point in them, or wasting money on there muppetry

11) Absolutely.

12) Nuclear is safe, and it's important to keep nuclear power. You just have to properly dispose of the waste. okay, im still a little hestitant but after reading what people have said, im more open to nuclear now

So, would that be the Green Party? I would not like to see what they would turn the country into. actually the Green party are left of some of these issues even, its why id prefer a more moderate left wing party, sadly, there is none

 

1) I accept that there is a rift in opinions over Afghanistan. Agree to disagree.

2) I see. Then, don't completely abolish university fees. Simply have "state universities" like "state schools". America already has a similar system in place, though it isn't free, just subsidised (though all university in the UK is subsidised for residents).

3) The Nazis weren't always popular. I don't want to see the BNP EVER reach NEAR the levels of popularity that the Nazi party did. Proportional Representation allows more of the BNP (and other extremist parties) to get their voices heard and get more support. Even if they don't get the PM position, they shouldn't be in the government at all, and if they are, not in large quantities.

4) Enough to be fair, not enough to be socialist.

5) Yay, we agree

6) I am an atheist, but if somebody wants to send their child to a Christian school, let them. As long as they are not taught creationism instead of evolution, or any of that. A prayer in the morning is fine.

7) More harmful than alcohol and tobacco. I would personally ban tobacco, but that would spark an outcry.

10) I can see your point, but it would just be a massive overhaul of the country. It would be a revolution. This world is complicated enough without a revolution. Besides, it's constitutional monarchy. The Queen has no power. She is a symbol, and a figurehead. Give her less money, sure, but let the family stay in their palace, it's the country's heritage.

12) Good.

The Green Party are left of that? You can't get much further left than that. I remember you being a vehement supporter of the Lib Dems a while ago, what's wrong with them? Aside from the fact they're not going to change anything and are a bunch of wimps, of course.



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Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

1) I accept that there is a rift in opinions over Afghanistan. Agree to disagree. okay

2) I see. Then, don't completely abolish university fees. Simply have "state universities" like "state schools". America already has a similar system in place, though it isn't free, just subsidised (though all university in the UK is subsidised for residents). sounds okay with me, so long as its done fairly

3) The Nazis weren't always popular. I don't want to see the BNP EVER reach NEAR the levels of popularity that the Nazi party did. Proportional Representation allows more of the BNP (and other extremist parties) to get their voices heard and get more support. Even if they don't get the PM position, they shouldn't be in the government at all, and if they are, not in large quantities. even with PR, as long as people vote, that probably wont happen, it also depends the type of PR you implement

4) Enough to be fair, not enough to be socialist. er, proggressive taxation in any form is Socialist, thats kinda the point, wealth redistribution, i think you mean communism (where by it stops the ability to earn more with better jobs, im against that too, it should be redistributive but it shouldnt stop people wanting to earn more and do better jobs)

5) Yay, we agree

6) I am an atheist, but if somebody wants to send their child to a Christian school, let them. As long as they are not taught creationism instead of evolution, or any of that. A prayer in the morning is fine. again, if we panded to one, why not all, and equally too as that would be the point would it not, where is my Atheist school? we cant pander to all groups, certainly not in a way that could be deemed fair, so pander to none imo

7) More harmful than alcohol and tobacco. I would personally ban tobacco, but that would spark an outcry. not feasable to ban tobbaco imo, i also have spoken to doctors/nurses who say most less harmfull drugs are safer to use than drinking too much

10) I can see your point, but it would just be a massive overhaul of the country. It would be a revolution. This world is complicated enough without a revolution. Besides, it's constitutional monarchy. The Queen has no power. She is a symbol, and a figurehead. Give her less money, sure, but let the family stay in their palace, it's the country's heritage. how? it would merely involve stripping there power, money and status and giving her "figurative" power to the lords, commons, PM or even a new elected head of state for instance.

12) Good.

The Green Party are left of that? You can't get much further left than that. I remember you being a vehement supporter of the Lib Dems a while ago, what's wrong with them? Aside from the fact they're not going to change anything and are a bunch of wimps, of course. Lib Dems are now pro-war, pro-tuituon fees (apparently during there conference this happend, BBC site is source) and they are pro-faith schools, they also seem unclear what they stand for on some issues, Clegg also irritates me, thats why im not keen on them, like i said, There is no party that comes near to my views really as there is no Centre Left party in the UK that i know of

 



SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

1) I accept that there is a rift in opinions over Afghanistan. Agree to disagree. okay

2) I see. Then, don't completely abolish university fees. Simply have "state universities" like "state schools". America already has a similar system in place, though it isn't free, just subsidised (though all university in the UK is subsidised for residents). sounds okay with me, so long as its done fairly

3) The Nazis weren't always popular. I don't want to see the BNP EVER reach NEAR the levels of popularity that the Nazi party did. Proportional Representation allows more of the BNP (and other extremist parties) to get their voices heard and get more support. Even if they don't get the PM position, they shouldn't be in the government at all, and if they are, not in large quantities. even with PR, as long as people vote, that probably wont happen, it also depends the type of PR you implement

4) Enough to be fair, not enough to be socialist. er, proggressive taxation in any form is Socialist, thats kinda the point, wealth redistribution, i think you mean communism (where by it stops the ability to earn more with better jobs, im against that too, it should be redistributive but it shouldnt stop people wanting to earn more and do better jobs)

5) Yay, we agree

6) I am an atheist, but if somebody wants to send their child to a Christian school, let them. As long as they are not taught creationism instead of evolution, or any of that. A prayer in the morning is fine. again, if we panded to one, why not all, and equally too as that would be the point would it not, where is my Atheist school? we cant pander to all groups, certainly not in a way that could be deemed fair, so pander to none imo

7) More harmful than alcohol and tobacco. I would personally ban tobacco, but that would spark an outcry. not feasable to ban tobbaco imo, i also have spoken to doctors/nurses who say most less harmfull drugs are safer to use than drinking too much

10) I can see your point, but it would just be a massive overhaul of the country. It would be a revolution. This world is complicated enough without a revolution. Besides, it's constitutional monarchy. The Queen has no power. She is a symbol, and a figurehead. Give her less money, sure, but let the family stay in their palace, it's the country's heritage. how? it would merely involve stripping there power, money and status and giving her "figurative" power to the lords, commons, PM or even a new elected head of state for instance.

12) Good.

The Green Party are left of that? You can't get much further left than that. I remember you being a vehement supporter of the Lib Dems a while ago, what's wrong with them? Aside from the fact they're not going to change anything and are a bunch of wimps, of course. Lib Dems are now pro-war, pro-tuituon fees (apparently during there conference this happend, BBC site is source) and they are pro-faith schools, they also seem unclear what they stand for on some issues, Clegg also irritates me, thats why im not keen on them, like i said, There is no party that comes near to my views really as there is no Centre Left party in the UK that i know of

 

4) Yes, Communist is what I meant.

6) The majority of schools are Atheist. Any school that is not religious is atheist.

7) Banning alcohol is ridiculous, because it is harmless in small amounts, and indeed beneficial. Banning tobacco would be wonderful, but with the amount of smokers in the UK, and the world, it just isn't feasible. A better program would be to improve the "Do not smoke" campaigns. But none of those evil chemical ads, they clearly don't work. Perhaps distribute nicotine patches for free at supermarkets?

10) Well, there could be an elected head of state (but don't call him the President). But keep the Royal Family there, just to preserve, as I said, the heritage of the country. Revolutions rarely lead to good times- look at Germany and the Soviet Union.

I read the BBC article, and apparently Clegg spoke very well, but what he seems to be doing now is trying to please the Labour crowd because he knows that very few people actually liked the old Lib Dems. I would expect them to beat Labour in the general elections, at least, but the Tories would have quite a large majority- perhaps as high as 50%.



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Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

1) I accept that there is a rift in opinions over Afghanistan. Agree to disagree. okay

2) I see. Then, don't completely abolish university fees. Simply have "state universities" like "state schools". America already has a similar system in place, though it isn't free, just subsidised (though all university in the UK is subsidised for residents). sounds okay with me, so long as its done fairly

3) The Nazis weren't always popular. I don't want to see the BNP EVER reach NEAR the levels of popularity that the Nazi party did. Proportional Representation allows more of the BNP (and other extremist parties) to get their voices heard and get more support. Even if they don't get the PM position, they shouldn't be in the government at all, and if they are, not in large quantities. even with PR, as long as people vote, that probably wont happen, it also depends the type of PR you implement

4) Enough to be fair, not enough to be socialist. er, proggressive taxation in any form is Socialist, thats kinda the point, wealth redistribution, i think you mean communism (where by it stops the ability to earn more with better jobs, im against that too, it should be redistributive but it shouldnt stop people wanting to earn more and do better jobs)

5) Yay, we agree

6) I am an atheist, but if somebody wants to send their child to a Christian school, let them. As long as they are not taught creationism instead of evolution, or any of that. A prayer in the morning is fine. again, if we panded to one, why not all, and equally too as that would be the point would it not, where is my Atheist school? we cant pander to all groups, certainly not in a way that could be deemed fair, so pander to none imo

7) More harmful than alcohol and tobacco. I would personally ban tobacco, but that would spark an outcry. not feasable to ban tobbaco imo, i also have spoken to doctors/nurses who say most less harmfull drugs are safer to use than drinking too much

10) I can see your point, but it would just be a massive overhaul of the country. It would be a revolution. This world is complicated enough without a revolution. Besides, it's constitutional monarchy. The Queen has no power. She is a symbol, and a figurehead. Give her less money, sure, but let the family stay in their palace, it's the country's heritage. how? it would merely involve stripping there power, money and status and giving her "figurative" power to the lords, commons, PM or even a new elected head of state for instance.

12) Good.

The Green Party are left of that? You can't get much further left than that. I remember you being a vehement supporter of the Lib Dems a while ago, what's wrong with them? Aside from the fact they're not going to change anything and are a bunch of wimps, of course. Lib Dems are now pro-war, pro-tuituon fees (apparently during there conference this happend, BBC site is source) and they are pro-faith schools, they also seem unclear what they stand for on some issues, Clegg also irritates me, thats why im not keen on them, like i said, There is no party that comes near to my views really as there is no Centre Left party in the UK that i know of

 

4) Yes, Communist is what I meant. okay

6) The majority of schools are Atheist. Any school that is not religious is atheist. thanks for dodging the point

7) Banning alcohol is ridiculous, because it is harmless in small amounts, and indeed beneficial. Banning tobacco would be wonderful, but with the amount of smokers in the UK, and the world, it just isn't feasible. A better program would be to improve the "Do not smoke" campaigns. But none of those evil chemical ads, they clearly don't work. Perhaps distribute nicotine patches for free at supermarkets? thats kinda my point, prohibition wont work, so why not legalise, regulate and tax stuff instead?

10) Well, there could be an elected head of state (but don't call him the President). But keep the Royal Family there, just to preserve, as I said, the heritage of the country. Revolutions rarely lead to good times- look at Germany and the Soviet Union. heritage shmeritage, museums do that fine, just make buckingham palace one, keep the tourism, no point in keeping them imo, certainly no point giving them £40m+ for doing sweet FA imo

I read the BBC article, and apparently Clegg spoke very well, but what he seems to be doing now is trying to please the Labour crowd because he knows that very few people actually liked the old Lib Dems. I would expect them to beat Labour in the general elections, at least, but the Tories would have quite a large majority- perhaps as high as 50%. I agree with that anylasis of what the election result may well be, for me this sucks, you think i have problems with the Lib Dems, dont get me started on the tories and cameron (clegg is irritating, cameron is 10x that and then some)

 



SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:

1) Yes, Communist is what I meant. okay

2) The majority of schools are Atheist. Any school that is not religious is atheist. thanks for dodging the point

3) Banning alcohol is ridiculous, because it is harmless in small amounts, and indeed beneficial. Banning tobacco would be wonderful, but with the amount of smokers in the UK, and the world, it just isn't feasible. A better program would be to improve the "Do not smoke" campaigns. But none of those evil chemical ads, they clearly don't work. Perhaps distribute nicotine patches for free at supermarkets? thats kinda my point, prohibition wont work, so why not legalise, regulate and tax stuff instead?

4) Well, there could be an elected head of state (but don't call him the President). But keep the Royal Family there, just to preserve, as I said, the heritage of the country. Revolutions rarely lead to good times- look at Germany and the Soviet Union. heritage shmeritage, museums do that fine, just make buckingham palace one, keep the tourism, no point in keeping them imo, certainly no point giving them £40m+ for doing sweet FA imo

5) I read the BBC article, and apparently Clegg spoke very well, but what he seems to be doing now is trying to please the Labour crowd because he knows that very few people actually liked the old Lib Dems. I would expect them to beat Labour in the general elections, at least, but the Tories would have quite a large majority- perhaps as high as 50%. I agree with that anylasis of what the election result may well be, for me this sucks, you think i have problems with the Lib Dems, dont get me started on the tories and cameron (clegg is irritating, cameron is 10x that and then some)

 

Lol, notice how we are slowly agreeing on each point.

1) Good, solved

2) How am I dodging the point? You said faith schools should be abolished. There are plenty of non-faith schools already.

3) Because people would continue to pay no matter how high the taxes got, and that isn't good for the people. Smokers need to be discouraged and eased off, not prohibited and taxed.

4) No need to give them £40 million, I agree. But come on, you can't just throw them out on the street! Bring their monetary supply down to perhaps 1/8 of that. But don't destroy the symbol of the country. Nobody will want to see Buckingham if it's a museum.

5) It's not so much that Cameron is bad, it's that everyone else is worse



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Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:

1) Yes, Communist is what I meant. okay

2) The majority of schools are Atheist. Any school that is not religious is atheist. thanks for dodging the point

3) Banning alcohol is ridiculous, because it is harmless in small amounts, and indeed beneficial. Banning tobacco would be wonderful, but with the amount of smokers in the UK, and the world, it just isn't feasible. A better program would be to improve the "Do not smoke" campaigns. But none of those evil chemical ads, they clearly don't work. Perhaps distribute nicotine patches for free at supermarkets? thats kinda my point, prohibition wont work, so why not legalise, regulate and tax stuff instead?

4) Well, there could be an elected head of state (but don't call him the President). But keep the Royal Family there, just to preserve, as I said, the heritage of the country. Revolutions rarely lead to good times- look at Germany and the Soviet Union. heritage shmeritage, museums do that fine, just make buckingham palace one, keep the tourism, no point in keeping them imo, certainly no point giving them £40m+ for doing sweet FA imo

5) I read the BBC article, and apparently Clegg spoke very well, but what he seems to be doing now is trying to please the Labour crowd because he knows that very few people actually liked the old Lib Dems. I would expect them to beat Labour in the general elections, at least, but the Tories would have quite a large majority- perhaps as high as 50%. I agree with that anylasis of what the election result may well be, for me this sucks, you think i have problems with the Lib Dems, dont get me started on the tories and cameron (clegg is irritating, cameron is 10x that and then some)

 

Lol, notice how we are slowly agreeing on each point.

1) Good, solved

2) How am I dodging the point? You said faith schools should be abolished. There are plenty of non-faith schools already. *sigh* no, what i said was we cant pander to every minority intrest group and also do so fairly, so we shouldnt bother pandering to any of them

3) Because people would continue to pay no matter how high the taxes got, and that isn't good for the people. Smokers need to be discouraged and eased off, not prohibited and taxed. sure, why not do both? encourage people to stop but for now have things legal, so you can at least make money while your solving the problem? also, having them legal would probably help treatment, you could allow doctors to wean people off if things were legal, at least medically for rehab?

4) No need to give them £40 million, I agree. But come on, you can't just throw them out on the street! Bring their monetary supply down to perhaps 1/8 of that. But don't destroy the symbol of the country. Nobody will want to see Buckingham if it's a museum. i dont see romans anywhere, do you? people still flock to see the roman baths (in my hometown of bath) even without them? surely the main tourist atraction is the palace and sites, i doubt many would care wether or not the monarchy were there or not, lets face it, how many tourists are realisticly going to meet them anyway?

5) It's not so much that Cameron is bad, it's that everyone else is worse disagree here, i think he is worse than the others, lol, hell, even brown seems preferable to me, ideally, none of the 3 would get in and a new Centre Left party will emerge before the GE! (a man can dream, ey? lol)

 



SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:

Lol, notice how we are slowly agreeing on each point.

1) How am I dodging the point? You said faith schools should be abolished. There are plenty of non-faith schools already. *sigh* no, what i said was we cant pander to every minority intrest group and also do so fairly, so we shouldnt bother pandering to any of them

2) Because people would continue to pay no matter how high the taxes got, and that isn't good for the people. Smokers need to be discouraged and eased off, not prohibited and taxed. sure, why not do both? encourage people to stop but for now have things legal, so you can at least make money while your solving the problem? also, having them legal would probably help treatment, you could allow doctors to wean people off if things were legal, at least medically for rehab?

3) No need to give them £40 million, I agree. But come on, you can't just throw them out on the street! Bring their monetary supply down to perhaps 1/8 of that. But don't destroy the symbol of the country. Nobody will want to see Buckingham if it's a museum. i dont see romans anywhere, do you? people still flock to see the roman baths (in my hometown of bath) even without them? surely the main tourist atraction is the palace and sites, i doubt many would care wether or not the monarchy were there or not, lets face it, how many tourists are realisticly going to meet them anyway?

4) It's not so much that Cameron is bad, it's that everyone else is worse disagree here, i think he is worse than the others, lol, hell, even brown seems preferable to me, ideally, none of the 3 would get in and a new Centre Left party will emerge before the GE! (a man can dream, ey? lol)

 

1) Well, it's not pandering, it's simply letting them do what they want. It doesn't hurt anyone or violate any laws, and if someone wants to make a Jain, Sikh or Zoroastrian school, let them!

2) That's good. Agreed.

3) Let's label this as an "agree to disagree". I just don't think they should be removed, as they are icons. But you do make a good point.

4) Ideally, Stephen Fry would be Prime Minister.

Are we agreed or agreeing to disagree on everything? Not bad.



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Kantor said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kantor said:

Lol, notice how we are slowly agreeing on each point.

1) How am I dodging the point? You said faith schools should be abolished. There are plenty of non-faith schools already. *sigh* no, what i said was we cant pander to every minority intrest group and also do so fairly, so we shouldnt bother pandering to any of them

2) Because people would continue to pay no matter how high the taxes got, and that isn't good for the people. Smokers need to be discouraged and eased off, not prohibited and taxed. sure, why not do both? encourage people to stop but for now have things legal, so you can at least make money while your solving the problem? also, having them legal would probably help treatment, you could allow doctors to wean people off if things were legal, at least medically for rehab?

3) No need to give them £40 million, I agree. But come on, you can't just throw them out on the street! Bring their monetary supply down to perhaps 1/8 of that. But don't destroy the symbol of the country. Nobody will want to see Buckingham if it's a museum. i dont see romans anywhere, do you? people still flock to see the roman baths (in my hometown of bath) even without them? surely the main tourist atraction is the palace and sites, i doubt many would care wether or not the monarchy were there or not, lets face it, how many tourists are realisticly going to meet them anyway?

4) It's not so much that Cameron is bad, it's that everyone else is worse disagree here, i think he is worse than the others, lol, hell, even brown seems preferable to me, ideally, none of the 3 would get in and a new Centre Left party will emerge before the GE! (a man can dream, ey? lol)

 

1) Well, it's not pandering, it's simply letting them do what they want. It doesn't hurt anyone or violate any laws, and if someone wants to make a Jain, Sikh or Zoroastrian school, let them! my issue is  i doubt any system that allowed that would ever be fair to all groups, by the book there, you would also have to allow BNP or Labour schools to be setup, but if you have your reasons, fine, agree to disagree on that

2) That's good. Agreed.

3) Let's label this as an "agree to disagree". I just don't think they should be removed, as they are icons. But you do make a good point.

4) Ideally, Stephen Fry would be Prime Minister. haha, excellent choice

Are we agreed or agreeing to disagree on everything? Not bad. pretty much, yeah