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tombi123 said:

I'll vote for the Liberal Democrats.

Labour have lost my vote by keeping innocent peoples DNA on record.

I believe the Liberal Democrats are the most likely to get rid of tuition fees, or at least the most unlikely to increase tuition fees.

Nuclear Energy is the only viable renewable energy source at the moment.

I hope something goes really wrong for the conservatives. I couldn't stand it if the Bullingdon Club was running the country.

like I said, the Lib Dems lost my vote when they abolished plans to scrap tuition fees, obviously it wasnt just that, but it was the final straw for me, it was a main reason to vote for them for me, without it, there isnt much left, certainly not more than the Green's, though I dont agree with them on some issues either.



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SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
Actually Nuclear power is safe.... a lot safer then people think.

The effects of Nuclear radiation have been greatly exaggerated.

You'd be surprised what the research on Chernobyl and Japan show.

okay, im listening, please elaborate on this?

 

 

Chernoybl for example was expected to kill hundreds of thousands.

Actual deatholl so far.... 54.

Total expected.... 4,000... and even that could be overestimated.... since the people in the area didn't exactly have the best medical treatment and high cancer detection rates... and it's assuming every case of cancer is caused by the radiation.  

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article685386.ece

 

In general the Nuclear attacks in Japan don't really show significant effects on the granchildren and in most cases the children of those effected. 

 

Plus, this is with the old reactors... new reactors are so ridiculiously safe... they have so many failsafes it's ridiculious.

 

If you look what leads to nuclear breakdowns... it takes like 6 or 7 catastrophic mistakes to blow something up.

oh I see, well, if that is true then it might be worth looking into then, the next question would be viability in the UK, do you have any stuff on that?

To my knowledge they're viable everywhere.  That's what makes them so valuable to "clean" technology, unlike Solar, Water or Wind plants you can pretty much put one down anywhere you have the space.

That's why people say Nucelear power is the only viable green energy source we have currently.

 



kowenicki said:
I'd reduce income tax across the board (low and high earners) and increase VAT to start with. I would tax incentivise job creation and wealth creation through enterprise....

Lets start giving people an incentive to work and better themselves rather than settle for their lot because its relatively comfortable. Lets start helping people who want to employ people in REAL jobs, who want to crreate jobs. All this government does now is see any enterprise or job creation as a taxation opportunity to pay for their bloated and frankly broken public services.

A clean sheet of paper and some new ideas required on public services..... needs a lot of thought from a lot of stakeholders and public representatives.

how do you plan to incentivise work? (given were in a reccession and jobs for most proffessions are few and far between here?) im not against the idea, I just wanna know how it would work in the current climate?

tax cuts for low earners i definitely agree with, high earners im not so sure about, unless you can prove it will definitley be good for the economy 

im okay with improving Healthcare and Education like I said, but I think they both need to remain free to access


 



Keep Britain for the British, vote BNP.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
Keep Britain for the British, vote BNP.

I seriously hope you're kidding Tyrannical :-/



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highwaystar101 said:
Tyrannical said:
Keep Britain for the British, vote BNP.

I seriously hope you're kidding Tyrannical :-/

He's always kidding, you know that.

 

On the Nuclear thing above, while I agree it is incredibly safe, do not play down the disaster that was Chernobyl. You say 54 deaths but those are the direct deaths from the meltdown, the 4000 you speak of are indirect deaths from the radiation over time, cancer caused by the radiation being the main one. That's asside untold radiation damage to wildlife and the landscapes in the Ukraine, Belarus and russian fall out zones.

The world technology and safety in Nuclear energy has increased dramatically.

 

I'm not sure who I'd vote for next election. Like many I've lost faith in most MPs so the idea would be to instate new MPs who won't abuse the system and scrounge us for all we are worth. While I'm always on a sliding scale with all 3 major parties depending on their policies, I for one don't agree with many of them.

If I am to vote, I'll vote Green or Monster Raving, even if that is only local.

 



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
highwaystar101 said:
Tyrannical said:
Keep Britain for the British, vote BNP.

I seriously hope you're kidding Tyrannical :-/

He's always kidding, you know that.

 

On the Nuclear thing above, while I agree it is incredibly safe, do not play down the disaster that was Chernobyl. You say 54 deaths but those are the direct deaths from the meltdown, the 4000 you speak of are indirect deaths from the radiation over time, cancer caused by the radiation being the main one. That's asside untold radiation damage to wildlife and the landscapes in the Ukraine, Belarus and russian fall out zones.

The world technology and safety in Nuclear energy has increased dramatically.

 

I'm not sure who I'd vote for next election. Like many I've lost faith in most MPs so the idea would be to instate new MPs who won't abuse the system and scrounge us for all we are worth. While I'm always on a sliding scale with all 3 major parties depending on their policies, I for one don't agree with many of them.

If I am to vote, I'll vote Green or Monster Raving, even if that is only local.

 

No.  4,000 is the expected deaths total.

5,000 total deaths are supposed to be caused indirectly.


54 is how many total deaths there have been so far.

All an all it's a very tame disaster.   It's going to kill around 9,000 people worst case scenario... and the VAST majority is going to be over 20 years later.

Also there hasn't been too much damage to the animals.  If you look at the study i posted, the animals who lioved right near the zone have no genetic damage.  Despite living their entire lives there.

 

Edit: Quotes from the article.

 

 

The Chernobyl disaster was initially predicted to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths. Two decades later the death toll stands at 56. The United Nations Chernobyl Forum estimates that no more than 4,000 people will die as a direct result of fallout, while radiation may be a contributory factor in another 5,000 deaths.

 

Research by Professor Ron Chesser, of Texas Tech University, found that mammals exposed to 8 to 15 millisieverts of radiation a day — equivalent to 8,000 chest X-rays — showed none of the genetic damage that his team had expected. “The radioactivity, even though it was very high according to all of our measures, was not enough to result in any appreciable measure of DNA damage in animals that lived their entire life in this area,” Professor Chesser said. “This was something that that we really didn’t expect.” Other research into natural background radiation also suggests that low levels of exposure do not cause genetic damage or cancer.



I would vote for the National party if I was British. You should be proud of your great nation and preserve it.



Slimebeast said:
I would vote for the National party if I was British. You should be proud of your great nation and preserve it.

I take it you've never been to Britain and experienced the BNP then? They are an evil party full of the absolute epitome of human scum. A few weeks back they held a protest in my city which quickly escalated to a violent riot. These people do not represent the British in the slightest, they do not represent how the vast majority of us feel. They are not British to me.

There are much much better ways to preserve our nation that does not involve these assholes. The BNP wouldn't have a sodding clue how to preserve our nation.



Kasz216 said:

No.  4,000 is the expected deaths total.

5,000 total deaths are supposed to be caused indirectly.


54 is how many total deaths there have been so far.

All an all it's a very tame disaster.   It's going to kill around 9,000 people worst case scenario... and the VAST majority is going to be over 20 years later.

Also there hasn't been too much damage to the animals.  If you look at the study i posted, the animals who lioved right near the zone have no genetic damage.  Despite living their entire lives there.

Confused slightly, are you saying 4,000 total or 5,000 total? Either way, from the incident itself and since only 54 people may have died. But radiation and other effect will cause other deaths, yes, they might be a long way down the line but never call it a 'tame disaster', jsut a long drawn out distaster.

Although I'm also confused as to how you can put the word 'tame' to the word disaster, any distaster is anything but tame, especially for the people involved.

 

@slimebeast

the BNP are not the National Party, they are a racist party.



Hmm, pie.