good man, ive been looking for that clip since i saw this thread!

Simpsons ftw! 

The US is a major part of the international community.  We still invaded Iraq.

Peace with Russia = giving them control over their old USSR sphere of influence.

I'm not sure if you noticed... but we actually tried bringing them into the international community before... and it was working fine... back when they were a democracy.

However the governments they are fucking with actually have freer elections then Russia itself now.

Georgia ishappening because Georgia's president is anti-russian and they're usual "pro-russian" cronies didn't get voted in.  I say happening because stuff is actually still going on.  Russia is getting the ossetians to start breaking the treaty and attacking again.

You name a country in the area and they've got their hands in their elections.

I mean... why isn't the Ukraine in the EU? 

Turkey has a clear path but the Ukraine doesn't?  Even though the Ukraine fits much better?  Because the EU is afraid it will provoke Russia.

Poland and Chexs really should be fine....

But Ukraine, Georgia, Molodva, Armenia... countries like that are currently screwed... and by currently i mean Russia is actually activly effecting the way those countries run... in a way that western countries bascially couldn't get away with.

You're ignoring one obvious fact, the USA was not the only country to invade Iraq... Not by a long shot. The international community invaded Iraq because as a whole it said they were producing weapons of mass destruction and demanded action.

I'm going to appeal to your libertarian side. Pushing them away is like the war on drugs, you're just making the problem go deeper underground. If you legalised drugs you would grow a closer relationship with the producers and therefore be able to monitor the industry easier. With Russia pushing them away will just make their "dirty" politics just go underground, however bringing them closer will make their politics easier to monitor. Ipso facto, being able to oversee their influence on neighbouring countries much clearer.

And giving peace would no

They were the only country of consequence to.  Nobody else really put in many troops... and the international community as a whole didn't want the US to go in.  Or if they did they're certainly being hypocritical after the fact.

As for the "bringing them closer" angle... it's just never worked... If it won't work with a country as weak as North Korea why would it work with Russia?

As for being able to monitor what the russians are doing better... we don't need too... they brazenly due everything right out in front.  We have UN observers and other international communites actually seeing the russians doing this shit and reporting it.

The truth is.  Russia is doing whatever it wants to those small countries because it knows it can.  Because it knows the US and Europe aren't going to start a nuclear war for some small countries most people haven't even heard of like Moldovia...

and they're doing it because they want to make sure they're under their control before they end up in the EU or NATO.

That's why they were angry about the nuclear shield... because it hurt their posturing power.

If you want to continue the drug analogy.  Russia is a unrepetetive user.  They are using the drug, and they don't give a fuck about anything but they're drug... and it's to the point of where they are out robbing other people to keep up the habit.

Legal or Illegal they aren't going to get help because quite frankley... they don't want it.

So you have the choice of ignoring the behavior that's hurting others... or force them to get help.

The nuclear shield was stupid from the beggining, now that they wont build it Russia is happy, everyone is happy, and even if they arent, there wont be a nuclear shield anyway.

If Russia went to war against the rest of the world minus China and the US, Russia would win. it wouldn't even be close. Not that they would, but they are one bad ass military power. 

That being said, I am all for removing this shield. It's time the US stopped policing the world, and let the world police themselves.

We are broke as a nation, and the first step we need to take as a broke country, is stop spending money on things that "we" don't need.

Yeah hate to break it to you but the US and China have already shot missles/satellites out of the sky/orbit.  Plus you would have seen the crap hit the fan in the Falklands (I am breaking some OPSEC here) since NEST teams were called in and DEVGRU as well to take care of a nuke.

What is reported on the MSM is not the entire history of the world.

And if u say how the heck is he getting this info, I will tell you?  Navy SEALS are good friends to have.

Did you just agree with something Obama did?

Hate to cut in but if Russia went to war against the world the US would make Moscow a parking lot before they shot off the first ICBM.

So there is no need for a stupid missile shield then.

Off topic:I hate how everything is about guns, missiles and crap, real men fight with their fists or swords one against another if they have to fight, war is not a thing I like, but if youwere to do it there should be fought like men and not pussies.