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MikeB said:

@ kowenicki

My view is still the same as in the past. The PS3 and 360 problems can't be compared, evidence suggests that even when cutting out the RROD 360 issues (vast majority of issues) 360s still fail more than PS3s (all kinds of failures combined).

I think the original PS3 (probably the US model more so) is more prone to overheating problems than the later units and the later units are more prone to Blu-Ray reading related failures than the older model (haven't read anything about the slim yet). Sony provides 1 year manufacturer warranty on this, which is the same for Microsoft (as minus RROD issues 360 the remaining hardware failures usually not covered by 3 year warranty is still more significant), not the mention well known about and deeply investigated 360 disc scratching issues.

If your PS3 does fail, it's out of normal warranty and you did noting wrong with the device. IMO still take it back to the retailer (a PS3 should work problem free for at the very least 3 years), if they aren't helpful (normal procedure, almost everywhere), write a letter and ask to talk to the manager. I think in many cases at the bigger stores things can be sorted out this way and come to a satisfactory conclusion.

I guess we will never know if they are comparable or not. Neither SONY or MicroSoft will talk publicly about the causes.

Although what SONY thought they were doing in sending out the heavy mob to try and intimidate the film crew I'll never know.

I would say that to my mind, given what was shown tonight on Watchdog this is the Solder issue yet again.

The magic oven trick worked for all 16 PS3's.

I agree with all the consumer stuff however. Just complain till you annoy them.

If your in London just stand outside their HQ with your broken console and a sign saying "My PS3 has YLOD"

Guaranteed tea and biscuits and a new PS3 slim in 20 mins if your lucky.

If your unlucky the SONY heavy crew will be sent out to give you a good kicking.



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kowenicki said:
@MikeB

its an inherent design problem on early PS3 models, it must be as the fault is the same every time.... you agree with that then?

No, I don't think it's a design fault. Designed according to industry standards as Sony pointed out in their rebuttal.

The PS3 built quality is really good, actually considering its more complex technology (Blu-Ray vs DVD drive, Cell processor and extra like Wi-Fi and default harddrive and newer standards) IMO the PS3 should be more failure prone than the 360 if an equal amount of care would be taken.

Luckily that's not the case!



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Well, that was a crap report, and was it just me, or did it look cut down? I was seriously looking for more, primarily as my PS3 currently has a fault and I have no desire to pay Sony another penny. Crass is the word I'd use, especially opening the article with the claim they'd sent a 360 fan to sit outside Sony's office. Hell, I should write to them and provide Watchdog with a decent PS3 story, because their one was crap. Mine, however...

Further, claims here that YLOD and RROD are the same seem massively off target. The program gave numbers suggesting it affected just 0.5% of PS3s. Really, that's not a lot. RROD, on the other hand, is quite different.



MikeB is right here, anyone comparing these two errors are just crazy. For argument's sake, whatever, but we're talking very few people being affected as compared to the RROD.



We are not comparing the hit rate just the cause.

Board warping and solder micro fracture.

RROD has affected many times the number of XBox's than YLOD has the PS3 but they can still have the same root cause



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Well Im not prepared to let this degenerate into fanboy mud slinging.

I like the PS3. I almost bought one this week after my 360 RROD'd.

But I genuinely feel that YLOD is due to the same root cause as RROD

Anyways the proof will out. I personally think that YLOD as with RROD is here to stay.

God Nintendo must be loving all of this.



kowenicki said:
@cypher

mikeb wont have that, even though it is a fact.... nobody disputed that the RROD is many times bigger. But MikeB has always called out MS for letting out a designed in fault... now sony are guilty of the same. At least MS admit it.

Can you please explain, in full, how it is a fault designed into the machine. If it is, then every YLOD will have to be fixed free or replaced by law by the retailer within 5 (or 6) years of the point of purchase. UK law is pretty clear on the matter.



i also believe there probably was a design flaw with the launch models, but after that there wasnt



NYANKS said:
MikeB is right here, anyone comparing these two errors are just crazy. For argument's sake, whatever, but we're talking very few people being affected as compared to the RROD.

I, of course, mean percentage wise.  For example VGChartz probably sports 2000+ PS3 owners amongst its members, so if a 3% failure rate for the first year is within industry standards this would still mean 60 failed PS3s amongst members within the first year.

I believe there was a way higher percentage of 360s which were dead on arrival or failed within the first month on the market. IMO it's clear from all the insider info we have been provided the 360 failures were way beyond industry standards (all the people I know who had 360s around launch, me included failed eventually). It not unlikely the PS3 performed well within industry standards regarding consumer electronics.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

This show was about "THE SONY PLAYSTATION 3 and the YLOD"

This is nothing to do with the Xbox 360 so why is anyone comparing ? if you want to compare then use the WII for comparison,, oh no hang on you don't want to do that ibecause t's a more reliable machine right ?.

This will not help the Christmas sales at all....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDu9ePWF4gg

(Watch the fanboys comments under the video now the link is up)

LOL at the end song...............

 

The show also ask for more people to write in so expect a follow up.........................................