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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
theprof00 said:

then classics are an even more rare animal than I originally anticipated.

I hope you weren't trying to prove my point, because you did.

Actually it proves his point, most companies don't know how to make classics, Nintendo does, which is one reason they are one of the most profitable companies around

This is where I ask you what classics and then you tell me your opinion, which I will disagree with, unless you say wii sports.

This is a typical forum argument, no offense, which I will not take part in. Ico isn't a classic? Ok

/conversation

Ico sold less than a million, and outside of gamers most are unaware of the game



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
-Costs are ballooning. $600-$400 for launch game consoles. $60+ for new games. Endless ‘limited edition’ packages that are filled with garbage.

Has this guy heard of inflation? Can someone run the numbers on this?

Also, how much were N64 games? I think they cost around $70.

And N64 was beaten, so clearly the market didn't like it, also even if you argue inflation, Its still too expensive, why do you think used game sales are so strong

Used sales are strong because there is no reason to get a new game when they offer a warrenty and lower price.

Yet people still buy some games at full price, see the thing is if a person doesn't think a game is worth the $60 they'll wait for the used version, if a person thinks a game is worth full price they'll buy it new, which is why Nintendo keeps selling its games at full price



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
-Costs are ballooning. $600-$400 for launch game consoles. $60+ for new games. Endless ‘limited edition’ packages that are filled with garbage.

Has this guy heard of inflation? Can someone run the numbers on this?

Also, how much were N64 games? I think they cost around $70.

And N64 was beaten, so clearly the market didn't like it, also even if you argue inflation, Its still too expensive, why do you think used game sales are so strong

games were 50$ on the NES.

And people felt the games were worth it, and many were, they are games that are now classics, most games today will never be classics, and aren't worth $60, let alone even $50



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Torillian on 17 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
God of war, uncharted and SOTC, ICO are not classics, ten years from now no one will be playing them

Climbing into your time machine made of bullshit again I see.

I will remember SotC and Ico forever, they were an experience that will stick with me, the fact that I don't play them everyday doesn't change this.  Just because you have never seen what's great about these games doesn't mean they aren't classics.



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theprof00 on 17 September 2009

Now this is just going to lead to another debate about the definition of classic. Because apparently, to be a classic for you, it needs to sell a lot and be popular.

Here are some definitions for the word. I am right by my definition, you are right by yours.

My idea of classic is:
5. Informal A superior or unusual example of its kind: The reason he gave for being late was a classic.
or
1. An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.

1.
a. Belonging to the highest rank or class.
b. Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture.
c. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring.
2.
a. Adhering or conforming to established standards and principles: a classic piece of research.
b. Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake.
3. Of or characteristic of the literature, art, and culture of ancient Greece and Rome; classical.
4.
a. Formal, refined, and restrained in style.
b. Simple and harmonious; elegant: the classic cut of a suit; the classic lines of a clipper ship.
5. Having historical or literary associations: classic battlefields of the Civil War.
n.
1. An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
2. A work recognized as definitive in its field.
3.
a. A literary work of ancient Greece or Rome.
b. classics The languages and literature of ancient Greece and Rome. Used with the.
c. One that is of the highest rank or class: The car was a classic of automotive design.
4. A typical or traditional example.
5. Informal A superior or unusual example of its kind: The reason he gave for being late was a classic.
6. A traditional event, especially a major sporting event that is held annually: a golf classic.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
Torillian said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
God of war, uncharted and SOTC, ICO are not classics, ten years from now no one will be playing them

Climbing into your time machine made of bullshit again I see.

I will remember SotC and Ico forever, they were an experience that will stick with me, the fact that I don't play them everyday doesn't change this.  Just because you have never seen what's great about these games doesn't mean they aren't classics.

You may remember them forever, but you are a minority, people who come into gaming ten years from now aren't going to want to play them.  People still enjoy playing games like the NES Mario's and Zelda, Starcraft  is a game that people who never played it years ago think is fun, even though its more than ten years old, these games are iconic, and can keep on brining in new people, regardless of their age.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Torillian on 17 September 2009

what's your proof of this? You have none, it's just a prediction made by a HEAVILY biased individual who has a tough time seeing anything worthwhile beyond the halls of Nintendo. You constantly crap on anything that is outside of their jurisdiction.

More people will play Mario and Zelda and Starcraft because they are more popular and more well known. As always, this doesn't mean they are better.



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JaggedSac on 17 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
theprof00 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
-Costs are ballooning. $600-$400 for launch game consoles. $60+ for new games. Endless ‘limited edition’ packages that are filled with garbage.

Has this guy heard of inflation? Can someone run the numbers on this?

Also, how much were N64 games? I think they cost around $70.

And N64 was beaten, so clearly the market didn't like it, also even if you argue inflation, Its still too expensive, why do you think used game sales are so strong

games were 50$ on the NES.

And people felt the games were worth it, and many were, they are games that are now classics, most games today will never be classics, and aren't worth $60, let alone even $50

A $50 game in 1985 = $98 in todays dollar.



Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009

The market has judged them better, see this is the flaw of many they think they are smarter than the consumers, no, that is foolishness



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 17 September 2009
JaggedSac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
theprof00 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
JaggedSac said:
-Costs are ballooning. $600-$400 for launch game consoles. $60+ for new games. Endless ‘limited edition’ packages that are filled with garbage.

Has this guy heard of inflation? Can someone run the numbers on this?

Also, how much were N64 games? I think they cost around $70.

And N64 was beaten, so clearly the market didn't like it, also even if you argue inflation, Its still too expensive, why do you think used game sales are so strong

games were 50$ on the NES.

And people felt the games were worth it, and many were, they are games that are now classics, most games today will never be classics, and aren't worth $60, let alone even $50

A $50 game in 1985 = $98 in todays dollar.

And they were worth it, on the other hand, I wouldn't pay even $60 for most games today



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)