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Rath said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

Also yes, 'positive' racism in the black community gives him votes from there. Is that really a surprise?

There is no such thing as positive racism.

You are either racist, or your not. To look at any group of people, and think due to a race trait something is better or worse about a person, is equally bad.

 

EDIT: I just realized you might not be implying that it's a good thing. If that's the case, I apologize.

I wasn't implying it was a good thing. Also are you dropping the accusation that I was stereotyping the entire far right as racist?

 

@Sqrl. What was your point again? I seem to have missed it.

Well not exactly.  You did commit a fallacy by assuming that all the far right ideologiy is built upon an element of racism.  That is obviously a haste generalization.  But you did not, in your wording, generalize that everyone in the far right is racist.  Where they are getting that from is not true at all.  You wouldn't have said elements... you would have said people.  Meaning they had a straw man argument. 

 

All that we do know about the far right is it has been moving slowly with racist nationalism and because of that there is a minority in it that have been using that nationalism as something to weed out races as American or not... as I explained.  It's not the far right ideology as a whole or the far right people as a whole... but simply how the ideology has pushed a few into associating extreme nationalism with race.



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Sqrl said:

Yes your notation was part of the typical liberal race bait play:

Step 1)

 

Point out the right's record of racism while ignoring the fact that both parties have a record of racism and that you are essentially playing the "my shit don't stink" party game.  In the event you are called on this trot out bastardized versions of history and if all else fails call the other person a racist!
Step 2) Play the "I don't want to take away from legitimate dissent" line.  Nobody who thinks about it for 2 seconds is really naive enough to believe that the goal of labeling some of these people as racists is anything other than to marganlize the entire group. But go ahead and say this part anyways, because most people won't give it that much thought, and either way you can claim that you're being reasonable while never actually addressing the legitimate concerns you claim to respect.

Pointing out that you don't want to marganlize legitimate complaints is part of the playbook...."Why...I don't know what yuo mean!  I'm not being unreasonable!!"

You can't be so naive to have not noticed that the only thing the left wants to talk about in regards to the protest is racism....can you?  I mean it is blatantly obvious they have no intention of discussing what they are actually protesting about ...you do see that....right?

 

@Step one. I don't really care about the party history of America. I care about the fact that some elements of the far right has a history of racism, the ultra-conservatives. I also know that some extreme elements of the far-left have a history of racism (ie. Black Panthers) but that still doesn't take away from what I have said.

@Step two. I think I've held multiple arguments on this forum about the legitimate concerns that you, Mafoo and others have about Obama. I don't see how you can claim that I never actually address the concerns. In fact in all those debates I don't think I ever bring up racism, I think the only time I have talked about racism against Obama is in topics about racism against Obama. (Oh and now that I think about it I may have mentioned it in some election topics too).

Edit: @Zucas. I never said that the far right was built upon racism. Don't put words into my mouth.



TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

With Obama however, given that elements of the far right have a strong record of racism it seems probable that some of the more extreme hate towards Obama is based on that.

Well, racism is just grouping people together, and due to a few in that group being bad apples, applying it to the entire group.

Being you just did it, I am not sure why you have a problem with it.

 

Oh, and Obama approval rating is 44% for white, 61% for Hispanics, and a whopping 93% for blacks.

I wonder why it's so high in the black community? Anything you can think of that would keep his rating that high?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx?CSTS=pollnav&to=POLL-Politics-News

 

Because Democrats have had VERY high levels of support among african americans for the past few decades?

also I'm sick and tired of conservatives acting like racism doesn't exist there is a very large undercurrent of racism in the south.  It just isnt very overt.

 



TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

With Obama however, given that elements of the far right have a strong record of racism it seems probable that some of the more extreme hate towards Obama is based on that.

Well, racism is just grouping people together, and due to a few in that group being bad apples, applying it to the entire group.

Being you just did it, I am not sure why you have a problem with it.

 

Oh, and Obama approval rating is 44% for white, 61% for Hispanics, and a whopping 93% for blacks.

I wonder why it's so high in the black community? Anything you can think of that would keep his rating that high?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx?CSTS=pollnav&to=POLL-Politics-News

 

Because Democrats have had VERY high levels of support among african americans for the past few decades?

also I'm sick and tired of conservatives acting like racism doesn't exist there is a very large undercurrent of racism in the south.  It just isnt very overt.

 



damkira said:

This is the first time I've seen anyone bring race into this... in fact, you seem to be obsessed with this abstract idea that majorities in the US are oppressed by minorities.

The fact is, the Kanye West incident ** IS ** all over the news, even though its insignificant.. and it has nothing to do with race.

While i don't care about Kanye West (as i had absolutly no idea that he exists before forum thread here)

The idea is definitly not abstract becouse in western europe and us tolerance has been changed into minority rule long time ago (especially for homosexuals, black people and muslims).



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Rath said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

Also yes, 'positive' racism in the black community gives him votes from there. Is that really a surprise?

There is no such thing as positive racism.

You are either racist, or your not. To look at any group of people, and think due to a race trait something is better or worse about a person, is equally bad.

 

EDIT: I just realized you might not be implying that it's a good thing. If that's the case, I apologize.

I wasn't implying it was a good thing. Also are you dropping the accusation that I was stereotyping the entire far right as racist?

 

@Sqrl. What was your point again? I seem to have missed it.

I kind of thought it was obvious really, but I don't mind being blunt.

Liberals have perfected the art of exploiting racial tension to reap political gain. 



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Sqrl said:
Rath said:

I wasn't implying it was a good thing. Also are you dropping the accusation that I was stereotyping the entire far right as racist?

 

@Sqrl. What was your point again? I seem to have missed it.

I kind of thought it was obvious really, but I don't mind being blunt.

Liberals have perfected the art of exploiting racial tension to reap political gain. 

Strangely where I come from it is usually the conservatives who play the race card for political gain.

In recent memory particularly Don Brash who vowed 'one law for all' realising that a fairly large group of whites were upset with the amount of 'handouts' being given to the Maori.



I don't think Kanye is racist, he loves attention, that's all.

@ sqrl

How do exploit reality? Racism is as real as ever, it just not in your face as it used to be.



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psrock said:
I don't think Kanye is racist, he loves attention, that's all.

@ sqrl

How do exploit reality? Racism is as real as ever, it just not in your face as it used to be.

The same could be said of Smallpocks.

While racism still exists.  Studies tend to show that when wealth is accounted for... everybody tends to end up in the same place.  Race isn't something that is going to largely effect someone being successful outside of a few fringe examples.

Most people who are racist by in large have no power.  In part this may explain actually why they are racist.



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