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vlad321 said:
ironman said:

I find it funny that you can call me an ignorant fool and not get banned, I've been banned for less, but I guess that just tells you how biast the mods here are.

Anyway, super sensative mice don't need to have a super "fast" setup. They are super sensative in that they will never lag out on you. Also, a fully customizeable keyboard lets you place the keys where they work best for you, giving you an unfair advantage over people who can't afford one and are forced to play with their regular keyboard, and the gaming specific keyboards are set up to drastically reduce your button pressing time. I really don't know why you continue arguing since you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about specialty hardware. 

I also like how you COMPLETELY miss my point...yet again. See, I was playing along to your BS point to completely obliderate it, but thanks for clearing up that PCs are actually worse on the graphics front than a console. 

Console gaming IS superior on almost ALL genre types due to the controller setup. As an example,  the age of PC FPS being better than console FPS is OVER. Halo pretty much obliterated that. The controls are easier, more user friendly and less bulky to use than the PC.

I don't even know what you mean by someone's moause "lagging out." I'm fairly certain that's just some other term you just pulled out of your uninformed ass. Also ANY keybaord let's you change the keys to whichever keys fit you best. It's part of the game, not the keyboard, again you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even know how you can specialize a keybord so that it maximizes key presses considering all yoru keys are next to each other n any keyboard. Also, good players don't misclick, that's why they aare good.

PCs are better, when you want them to be. However just like in consoles, graphics don't impact gameplay and the "skill" of a player in anyway. Maybe in console-land they do, but I'm fairly sure that even there they don't.....

There hasn't been a single good shooter on a console yet that has had a multiplayer to match PC's shooters. They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen.

 

P.S. I want to see osme of these specialized keyboards that maximize my keypresses. I would like one for UT2004. Please give me a link.

A super sensative mouse, to a regular mouse, as an HD TV is to a SD TV. A sensative laser tracking mouse "sees" more than your run of the mill laser mouse.

Here, just so I don't have to try and argue with you about the keyboard,  Ithink these next three links will pretty much answer all your failed rebuttle against said hardware.

Fully customizeable keyboard http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba?cpg=cj You can put the keys wherever you want.

Fully programmable keyboard http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Lycosa-Gaming-Keyboard-Keyboards_stcVVproductId26983318VVcatId444858VVviewprod.htm   With this bad boy, you can program keys to run button combo macros. so instead of hitting a four button combo, you just hit one button.

A specialized gaming keyboard http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/desc/p.826734003458.html This one is set up to reduce the chance of hitting the wrong key, it is also more comfortable and is "quicker" to use than your average keyboard. 

These are just three of literally thousands of specialized gaming keyboards out there.

I ask you this, if graphics don't impact gameplay and skill, why did you bring up having better graphics as a retort to my saying they don't really matter. Also, why would you say "They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen." It would seem that once again, you contradict yourself. Anyway, I really don't know why you call yourself a PC gamer, you know less about PC gaming hardware than my little sister...and she doesn't game at all.

Hey, one last word of advice, please re-read your posts, it's hard to understand what you mean with all the typos.

 



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ironman said:

I find it funny that you can call me an ignorant fool and not get banned, I've been banned for less, but I guess that just tells you how biast the mods here are.

Don't blame the modding community for you inability to report something you don't like.  We don't scower the forums trying to find people breaking rules and if you don't care enough to press a button and explain what happenned I find it hard to care about your objections about the moderators.

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I don't see how you can't make the comparison - used games and piracy both cause the exact same financial loss to developers and publishers, the only differences are that one is considered illegal and the other is not, and also one the industry is actively trying to prevent, but the other it's actually backing off on attempting to prevent. When used games are more of a concern to the industry than piracy, it really shows you how it feels on the issue. :)

NO IT DOES NOT.  Again, a used copy has already 'caused' money to be paid to developers, whereas a pirated copy has not. 

The mere fact that no further money goes to developers in the case of used games does not make them equivalent. 

Wrong.  I buy the game, dump the DVD's and put up a torrent, or upload it to Rapidshare or whatever.

Money went to the devs, and then they don't see one further cent from all the other people who use this copy of the game, just as the case is with used sales.

exactly, and it's even worse if we're talking about the rental of console games, because console devs don't get money from the renting business, yet each copy is played by dozens of gamers who most likely won't buy the games.



EACH AND EVERY COPY OF A USED OR RENTAL GAME HAS GIVEN MONEY TO DEVELOPERS.  What do you not understand about this concept and how it is different from pirated games, that can have thousands of copies of a game and only one original that developers got paid from? 

With used/rental games, only one person at a time owns (or 'controls' in the case of rental) the game and only one console/PC can play it at a time*.  This is different from pirated copies of a game that can have indefinite numbers of people all "owning" and playing the game simultaneously on their own consoles/PCs based on only that one legitimate copy.  It is not the same thing.  I don't know why you are failing to hard at seeing the difference, but I suspect it has to do with legitimizing piracy in your mind (since it's 'not any worse' than renting to you). 

*Well, aside from stuff like DS download play, but that's still tied to the cartridge. 



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I find it funny that you can call me an ignorant fool and not get banned, I've been banned for less, but I guess that just tells you how biast the mods here are.

Don't blame the modding community for you inability to report something you don't like.  We don't scower the forums trying to find people breaking rules and if you don't care enough to press a button and explain what happenned I find it hard to care about your objections about the moderators.

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Actually Torillian, I did report the guy, probably while you were posting that. Anyway, I have reported people for much worse, and nothing ever came of it. 



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ironman said:

A super sensative mouse, to a regular mouse, as an HD TV is to a SD TV. A sensative laser tracking mouse "sees" more than your run of the mill laser mouse.

Here, just so I don't have to try and argue with you about the keyboard,  Ithink these next three links will pretty much answer all your failed rebuttle against said hardware.

Fully customizeable keyboard http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba?cpg=cj You can put the keys wherever you want.

Fully programmable keyboard http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Lycosa-Gaming-Keyboard-Keyboards_stcVVproductId26983318VVcatId444858VVviewprod.htm   With this bad boy, you can program keys to run button combo macros. so instead of hitting a four button combo, you just hit one button.

A specialized gaming keyboard http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/desc/p.826734003458.html This one is set up to reduce the chance of hitting the wrong key, it is also more comfortable and is "quicker" to use than your average keyboard. 

These are just three of literally thousands of specialized gaming keyboards out there.

I ask you this, if graphics don't impact gameplay and skill, why did you bring up having better graphics as a retort mo my saying they don't really matter. Also, why would you say "They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen." It would seem that once again, you contradict yourself. Anyway, I really don't know why you call yourself a PC gamer, you know less about PC gaming hardware than my little sister...and she doesn't game at all.

Hey, one last word of advice, please re-read your posts, it's hard to understand what you mean with all the typos.

 

I honestly thought you'd have atleast realized enough to throw the G15 at me (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=US,EN) but you chose even worse keyboards. Please explain to me how the ones you showed me will "maximize keypresses." Are they any closer than the WASD and the space key? Do they somehow offer quicker response between the Keybaord and the game? I don't think so. The only thing that I can think of that it has a benefit in are RTS games or other games that have multiple hotkeys to get an action, like Stracraft for buildings/units. 

Let me show you what the best of the best when it comes to shooters uses:

That's right. DO you see any extra keybindings or anything? Yeah.... I didn't think so. All it has is LED backlight. Which is only so he can play in the dark. Yeah.... please find somethign else to whine about.

Mice: Really? REALLY? Honestly the only reason I don't use a ball mouse right now is because I don't wanna clean it all the time and the weight. And I also only bought a laser mouse so that I can play on almost any surface I want, since it's a laptop and it moves around a lot. Most of your uber mice nowadays come with weights so you can adjust to whatever you were used to beforehand and the only true benefit mice can offer are on the fly sensitivity changes. Which you can write a nice lil bind on your KBD anyhow.

You never broought up graphics outside of saying that better graphics = more skill, which is outright false. People consistently turn off things such as bloom, mouse acceleraton, motion blur, etc. because those effects make it more difficult to see people from the background. And truth, I meant that you can't do anything to something that moves faster than 2 pixels a second. Typing at 2am while working on lisp has adverse effects on my spelling.

 



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ironman said:
vlad321 said:
ironman said:

A super sensative mouse, to a regular mouse, as an HD TV is to a SD TV. A sensative laser tracking mouse "sees" more than your run of the mill laser mouse.

Here, just so I don't have to try and argue with you about the keyboard,  Ithink these next three links will pretty much answer all your failed rebuttle against said hardware.

Fully customizeable keyboard http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba?cpg=cj You can put the keys wherever you want.

Fully programmable keyboard http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Lycosa-Gaming-Keyboard-Keyboards_stcVVproductId26983318VVcatId444858VVviewprod.htm   With this bad boy, you can program keys to run button combo macros. so instead of hitting a four button combo, you just hit one button.

A specialized gaming keyboard http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/desc/p.826734003458.html This one is set up to reduce the chance of hitting the wrong key, it is also more comfortable and is "quicker" to use than your average keyboard. 

These are just three of literally thousands of specialized gaming keyboards out there.

I ask you this, if graphics don't impact gameplay and skill, why did you bring up having better graphics as a retort mo my saying they don't really matter. Also, why would you say "They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen." It would seem that once again, you contradict yourself. Anyway, I really don't know why you call yourself a PC gamer, you know less about PC gaming hardware than my little sister...and she doesn't game at all.

Hey, one last word of advice, please re-read your posts, it's hard to understand what you mean with all the typos.

 

Cool keyboards, but I still think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill with this keyboard and mouse argument. Especially if, like I said in my other post a few pages back, my Logitech G5 mouse cost about $45 which is $10 less than a Dualshock 3 and good for much more than games (Makes using software like Final Cut Pro on Macs so much better). Mainly, it offers more buttons and a higher quality and higher DPI laser engine or whatever it's called that can be used on any surface I've tried (though I don't play games with the mouse on my pant leg) and the laser doesn't stop after a period of inactivity like the basic mice do. Like I said before, I used to play my games with a standard mouse and did well. Heck, the Logitech G5 sucks in Half-Life 1 engine games since for some reason it has trouble moving diagonally.

Also, why comment about controls having simplified layouts if you're going to post a keyboard with a dedicated area for playing games (the third link)? As for myself, I'm still sticking to my old keyboards. lol, I not only used to play FPS games with the arrow keys of a keyboard, but I was also very good at Counter-Strike on an ergonomic keyboard and it had small arrow keys in the shape of a diamond (the same thing as the image below).

 

As for graphics, you can go in a number of ways. If you want you can get the very best out of everything, but it'll obviously cost you. You could also just turn down graphical settings if you're computer can't handle it and have fun. I've played Battlefield 2 with a mere x300 for a while and that didn't kill the overall experience one bit. In fact, since I could only display low settings, the game ran perfectly. You could also have a good computer, but just turn down some settings that can hurt your frame rate and aren't too important. Team fortress 2 might have some jaggies and doesn't always run over 60fps, but I've put in over 200 hours playing it and it's still fun as hell. You can do whatever you want and it's not like you're tied down, unless your computer can't run ANYTHING.

Lastly, I've already pointed out that the Radeon 4870 is a good card and only costs around $130-150, much less than your $500 suggestion from earlier on. Again, you don't need to spend $500 on something like a GTX 295 unless you're tower is packed with top tier hardware with a large monitor that can display your games in the highest resolution possible.

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I also really wanted to try it, but didn't get a chance when they had demo tents up on campus one day.... But no, I had to put my tuition to good use and go to class.