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d21lewis said:
The thing had PS2 graphics at a time when everyone was still playing the PS1. The only reason it didn't sell was that everyone expected the PS2's abilities to blow it away on day one (which didn't happen until years later). On top of that, the launch library was among the best seen on any system ever.

I hated Sega in those days, but the Dreamcast got it right.

The Dreamcast actually had better graphics than PS2 back then.







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darthdevidem01 said:

@johnsobas

enough is known from the present

if the launch was a benchmark & changed peoples views towards gaming, people would remember it as one in USA & sales would show......neither of that is there....especially the sales bit

A console that gets discontinued for not selling well cannot be a console that "changed people's views towards gaming", a 7 year old at that time could have figured this out

also for all we know you could have been 3 back then.....no-one knows your age on VGC

@xxain

my point has changed now........as we have moved on to USA.....as apparently thats what Peter Moore was talking about.

 

DC didn't get discontinued for not selling. It did becuase sega ran out of money to support it. Dreamcast sold faster in the Us than PS3. In less than 2 years they sold 6 million units of the console.

Sega never had 3rd party support behind them and couldnt do it themselves anymore. Especially with the piracy. Looking at Sony, PS2 without 3rd party would have been the worst system in history and would have probably gotten crushed by dreamcast and later GC and Xbox...no matter howmany Sony pictures dvd movies they bundled with the system.



pbroy said:
d21lewis said:
The thing had PS2 graphics at a time when everyone was still playing the PS1. The only reason it didn't sell was that everyone expected the PS2's abilities to blow it away on day one (which didn't happen until years later). On top of that, the launch library was among the best seen on any system ever.

I hated Sega in those days, but the Dreamcast got it right.

The Dreamcast actually had better graphics than PS2 back then.

Totally agreed!  I bought a Dreamcast because I couldn't find a PS2 (my cousin did).  I was getting some really cheap games because the console had just been announced discontinued.  I was coming home with Jet Grind Radio, Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Dead or Alive 2, and Resident Evil CV, for $10-$20 each.  My cousin was trying to impress me with Red Faction, Street Fighter EX, and Onimusha.  I was winning everytime!!



darthdevidem01 said:

@johnsobas

enough is known from the present

if the launch was a benchmark & changed peoples views towards gaming, people would remember it as one in USA & sales would show......neither of that is there....especially the sales bit

A console that gets discontinued for not selling well cannot be a console that "changed people's views towards gaming", a 7 year old at that time could have figured this out

also for all we know you could have been 3 back then.....no-one knows your age on VGC

@xxain

my point has changed now........as we have moved on to USA.....as apparently thats what Peter Moore was talking about.

 

maybe enough is known but you don't know it.  You're a 16 year old in Europe, what do you know about 10 years ago in the USA?  I was your age when the dreamcast came out. 



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disolitude said:
darthdevidem01 said:

@johnsobas

enough is known from the present

if the launch was a benchmark & changed peoples views towards gaming, people would remember it as one in USA & sales would show......neither of that is there....especially the sales bit

A console that gets discontinued for not selling well cannot be a console that "changed people's views towards gaming", a 7 year old at that time could have figured this out

also for all we know you could have been 3 back then.....no-one knows your age on VGC

@xxain

my point has changed now........as we have moved on to USA.....as apparently thats what Peter Moore was talking about.

 

DC didn't get discontinued for not selling. It did becuase sega ran out of money to support it. Dreamcast sold faster in the Us than PS3. In less than 2 years they sold 6 million units of the console.

Sega never had 3rd party support behind them and couldnt do it themselves anymore. Especially with the piracy. Looking at Sony, PS2 without 3rd party would have been the worst system in history and would have probably gotten crushed by dreamcast and later GC and Xbox...no matter howmany Sony pictures dvd movies they bundled with the system.

There we go, it can't be a "BENCHMARK to launch a new console" if it didn't have any 3rd Party support/they couldn't convince 3rd party's to give it some......thats a very bad thing to launch a console with, it gives of a stigma.

So my problem with Moore's statement remains.....it still isn't a benchmark launch.



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What's the benchmark then, Darth? The thing had support from pretty much every major company except EA. They just tapered off in the end. Before that, the PS1 launched with a handful of games. The N64 and SNES launched with 2 and 3 games, respectively. The Dreamcast launched with a GOOD game in pretty much every genre.

In the end, nothing they did was good enough (obviously), but the Dreamcast did everything as good as can be expected and better than anyone had done before. AKA: Benchmark!



darthdevidem01 said:
disolitude said:
darthdevidem01 said:

@johnsobas

enough is known from the present

if the launch was a benchmark & changed peoples views towards gaming, people would remember it as one in USA & sales would show......neither of that is there....especially the sales bit

A console that gets discontinued for not selling well cannot be a console that "changed people's views towards gaming", a 7 year old at that time could have figured this out

also for all we know you could have been 3 back then.....no-one knows your age on VGC

@xxain

my point has changed now........as we have moved on to USA.....as apparently thats what Peter Moore was talking about.

 

DC didn't get discontinued for not selling. It did becuase sega ran out of money to support it. Dreamcast sold faster in the Us than PS3. In less than 2 years they sold 6 million units of the console.

Sega never had 3rd party support behind them and couldnt do it themselves anymore. Especially with the piracy. Looking at Sony, PS2 without 3rd party would have been the worst system in history and would have probably gotten crushed by dreamcast and later GC and Xbox...no matter howmany Sony pictures dvd movies they bundled with the system.

There we go, it can't be a "BENCHMARK to launch a new console" if it didn't have any 3rd Party support/they couldn't convince 3rd party's to give it some......thats a very bad thing to launch a console with, it gives of a stigma.

So my problem with Moore's statement remains.....it still isn't a benchmark launch.

it didn't have good 3rd party support due to past mistakes which had nothing to do with the dreamcast.  This didn't change that it had possibly the best launch lineup in history and quite possibly the best lineup any console had in its first 2 years.  You continue to show me that you don't even know the history of Sega yet you're going around preaching to everyone else. 



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darthdevidem01 said:
disolitude said:
darthdevidem01 said:

@johnsobas

enough is known from the present

if the launch was a benchmark & changed peoples views towards gaming, people would remember it as one in USA & sales would show......neither of that is there....especially the sales bit

A console that gets discontinued for not selling well cannot be a console that "changed people's views towards gaming", a 7 year old at that time could have figured this out

also for all we know you could have been 3 back then.....no-one knows your age on VGC

@xxain

my point has changed now........as we have moved on to USA.....as apparently thats what Peter Moore was talking about.

 

DC didn't get discontinued for not selling. It did becuase sega ran out of money to support it. Dreamcast sold faster in the Us than PS3. In less than 2 years they sold 6 million units of the console.

Sega never had 3rd party support behind them and couldnt do it themselves anymore. Especially with the piracy. Looking at Sony, PS2 without 3rd party would have been the worst system in history and would have probably gotten crushed by dreamcast and later GC and Xbox...no matter howmany Sony pictures dvd movies they bundled with the system.

There we go, it can't be a "BENCHMARK to launch a new console" if it didn't have any 3rd Party support/they couldn't convince 3rd party's to give it some......thats a very bad thing to launch a console with, it gives of a stigma.

So my problem with Moore's statement remains.....it still isn't a benchmark launch.

Sega had an amazing first party. They steadily released quality games. They didn't need EA back then. They formed their own sports studio, 2K Games. Their sports games were better than EA's offerings. Capcom was good supporter. Sonic was at his prime back then too, the casual market was covered. The only thing they really lacked was an RPG studio. They did not have Square support, but PSO was so fresh and innovative, they really weren't missing much in that catagory.

The main culprate to Sega's demise was lack of software sales, due to piracey. Everybody knew somebody that can burn them games.







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