Are you implying that MS will not fix the bug found in the software from E3 and the bug will be in the retail build of the Natal firmware?

Very good points   It is not always the "best" that is the most popular.

@Jagged

I believe that's basically what he is stating.  Also, I don't know what he is talking about, saying that every tech in Panama Canal area think Windows is just a cluster of bugs.... Do they not get windows updates down in Panama?

LOL.  My company is very large and all of our desktops run Windows.  I never hear any complaints from the IT support guys.

Dont bite my ears off

are you saying you never get user complain due windows? thats impossible.

some bugs in windows have never being fixed, while intel and microsoft can explit their X86 arquitecture, some will stick there.

next week i have to go to all admistration computers to update and run antivirus, yay fun 70s computers full if virus waiting to have fun ! i can't wait...

Ok nightsurge, you might as well stop posting, because everything from this point is complete nonsense from you.  At least after your statement that head tracking is pointless in any game, except for Natal.  Way to have an objective mind.  And what makes it have a point with Natal?  Because it's MS.  What a fanboy statement.  I guess while Natal tracks your head movement it will move your TV as well to stay in front of your face.  Natal is going to be very limited, unless you use a controller.  But if you do that, then what's the point?  Throws gaming without a controller out the window.  I mean look at the games they show.  Limited movement within a small space in the game environment.  Sorry but we had these type of "tech demo" games when the EYEToy for PS2 came out.

I love how you say there will be no analog sticks based on a prototype.  I'm sure Sony will realize that there is limited movement without a joystick, so it will be incorporated in.  The point you fail to see is the PSEye by itself can already track your movement, hence the head tracking.  The Wands are there for greater accuracy with a game object in your hand, as well as give the gamer the feeling they are actually holding said object.

Your wrong... the PS1 is the best made console that Sony has ever made... the PS2 was garbage and the PS3 was a pipe dream that never got fully realized... both of the systems did/are doing well, but that doesn't mean they were made well.  People shouldn't still be having trouble developing for your system three years after it's release

That's because it doesn't exist... the biggest problem with running a Windows based network is the massive amounts of fucktards out to try and fuck your system up... especially if you're something important like the US Military.. most problems IT has to deal with are between the motitor and the back of the chair

It's kind of funny because you preach what you show. I do not lack creativity or imagination. Infact most of what i do would show you otherwise. I am taking a education on uni that involves innovating media and technology industry. Not only that most of my hobbies are based in heaps of creativity. I am very creative and i've got a big imagination.

But while you preach what you do, you say that sonys is the most limited which shows off your ignorance. Especially since you said it is more limited than the wii. If you don't know that it's not .. then.. well. All hope is lost and i should just give up now, because.. ..that is rediculous. And why are you assuming sonys won't have analogues ? there's more hints towards them having analogues, infact the "i think" quote you did alone should lean you towards that because there's nothing saying "I don't think."

I'm well aware that you can use natal for all kinds of new gameplay, but it would not work realisticly for a first person shooter and some other genres. Like the burnout demo showed you.

I'll explain why sonys technology gives the most possibilities.

1. It can track all motion. Sure the cam doesn't do it as advanced as natal, but does that really matter ? It does have facial recognition so you're able to seperate different peoples movements on screen and for instance use head tracking in a first person shooter to create a immersive experience. Along with the wands which will likely have 2 analogue sticks(one for each wand. IE each wand is like half of a dualshock 3.) (and you should stop assuming they wont, because that would be stupid and there's no reason for them not to.) You'll be able to move and turn without pointing at the edge of the screen (which is one of the wiis limitations, but i'll get to that.) while being completely immersed in the game. When headtracking i didn't say that people should turn their heads. That's a limitation of your thinking. But simply moving their body to the side to cover around corners of walls and down to duck. That is something that'd be awesome.

2. The wii .. it's limitations. Okay, motion plus only works on the wii mote and not the nunchuck. Sure you could use two wii motes but the wii was built for a wiimote and a nunchuck so it's not certain the user has 2 wii motes.
The tracking of the ps3 is more advanced and allows for more options. Because it uses a camera you can do additional tracking of the human and not just rest completely upon the wii mote.
The hardware is .. well not to be an ass but with it's technical specifications it's pretty last gen. Sure it has 32 megabytes of xdr ram, but overall. You can assert more resources on the ps3 which allows for more advanced games.

3. Natal. Alright. Natal does limit you. It tracks your body at 48 points. Does it track your trigger finger ? How do you move in a shooter ? move two steps forward ? then two back ?

I mean comon, sure you can work some of it out, like the skatebording game, but it'll never be as realistic as microsoft wants you to believe.
I think you could do some cool stuff with it no doubt, but it does limit itself more than sonys technology simply because there's no buttons. It's like a eyetoy that tracks you in 3d..(yes and i know it's more advanced than that with the skeleton building, but if we cut down to the basics) Although hopefully they make more advanced games than sony did for the eyetoy ... And it looks like they will.. but they still wont be able to achieve it all without buttons. That's not lacking creativity. That's just looking at it realisticly ? you want to move in a shooter by having your arms to the side ? you want to drive faster by having a faster wheel ? It's not realism. Sure you could argue that using buttons aren't either. But they get the immersion across more easily.

And yeah, you can use a controller instead if you want... but that ruins the point doesn't it ?

And it limits your movability if you have to hold a regular controller in your hands since it wasn't built for singlehandedly use.

If you're gonna repeat yourself after reading this. Don't bother. I can't be arsed to argue this, it's a waste of time and i'm right.

If I see this one more time I'm going to start removing hands... The point, if you must know, is to allow those who are intimidated by a controller to jump into a game that uses Natal... guess what those people wont be buying?  Yeah we wont be seeing to many of those Wii owners that Microsoft wants playing Halo Reach (just an example).  So adding in functionality to a game like Halo Reach makes sense even if it is just head tracking or tossing grenades.  Also in squad based games the use of gesture commands that are common place would be wonderful especially since many of them are hard to track in 2D space.  There is another diffrence some people are not taking into account either... the Project Natal hardware has it's own processor that does all/most the work where as it's highly likely that wand enabled games will loose another SPU since SPUs are best used for streaming data and that's basically what will be happening with the PSWand though I suppose they could use the PPU if they have available cycles