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hatmoza on 10 September 2009
pbroy said:

You forgot one!



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Carl on 10 September 2009
kowenicki said:
I update my gap charts weekly for my own info... PS3 fans will love the Japanese and like the Others one at the end of September.... US not so much....

It will still be an improvement on Augusts gap charts



                            

Avinash_Tyagi on 10 September 2009
WereKitten said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

You may fail to see why, but it does happen, software tie ratio for the Wii in holiday weeks drops well below its 6.2+ overall tie ratio

Actually I'm only pointing to individual weeks because it would take waaayyy too long to show all the weeks that Wii outsold the PS3 and or the 360 in software, its nearly every week it does that, with a few exceptions here and there, like the Halo 3 week, where Wii outsells its competitors in terms of software, regardless of install base, the individual weeks are samples, because its easier not to have to paste dozens of links.  And I'm not mixing up different issues, my point has been that software is what keeps sales momentum and that Wii has the software momentum relative to its competitors, even if it has dropped a off a bit since last year.

And again, you should learn to be way more precise if you want to logically support your claims, because what you're saying now is not the justification for what you said before, ie that holiday sales are the reason of the lower tie ratio.

It's obvious that the software tie ratio will drop after a period of sustained sales such as holidays. A lot of new Wiis every week, but certainly not all of their owners also buy 5+ games, that would be the only way to keep the tie ratio constant. But in the following months this bump in hardware sales should become a -smoothed- bump in software sales as the new owners buy games, up to the point where it all averages out into the historical tie ratio, unless you suppose that those holiday buyers are for some reason different and won't buy the same amount of games as other buyers.

Thus the fact that the tie ratio drops right after the holidays - obvious - doesn't support your justification for the lower tie ratio overall of the Wii.

And you can point out all the isolated weeks you want, but each Wii does not sell significantly more software than each PS3 or 360, it sells slightly less. It's factual and written in the totals and in the tie ratio.

Actually this fact that the Wii sells (very) relatively less software combined with the number of high-tie-ratio titles in its library would be an indicator of them being must-have titles, maybe of the kind that can drive hardware sales. But that's not what you said.

Actually its quite possible that those who buy during the holidays are less likely to buy more games in the future, as many of those holdiay buyers are likely to be more peripheral members of the expanded audience, who are mostly interested in the core Wii games, Wii Sports, fit, etc.) and not in other games, so actually it does kind of show the strength of those games to bring in people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in gaming at all.

Actually I did say that the Wii has stronger software compared with its competitors a few times actually.

Now you can argue that due to the tie ratio it sells less per console overall, perhaps, but as I pointed out that may be due to the type of customer of the holiday season for Wii, not to mention Wii sells a ton more consoles so even if the tie ratio is only slightly less it moves a ton more overall, and its individual first party titles sell much more.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 10 September 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
To everyrone replying to Avinash.

Look at his sig, and you will notice what type of member he is.

Its pointless trying to talk sense into him, just ignore his damage control.

Im sure he will be all happy again when his precious Wii is back on top weekly.

In order to talk sense you need to have sensible arguments, I'm still waiting for yours, see my point has remained that software is required to maintain momentum and the fact that PS3 lacks the software is the reason why this sales spike wont last, its not that I'll be happy when the Wii is back on top weekly, its that Wii will be back on top weekly because of its software strength compared with the PS3, as I've shown regardless of how you want to spin it, the Wii has the software strength that Sony and MS don't.

I stopped having a sensible arguement with you when you gave me the MK Wii launch week as your arguement.

And you are basicly saying PS3 hasn't got any big system selling games coming out...

Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Modern Warfare 2, God of War 3... all say hello to you.

Now please, stop with the damage control and let some PS3 fans actually have a good moment involving sales.

None of those games with maybe the small possiblity of Gran Turismo will breach 10 million on the PS2, most wont even pass 5 million, which kind of continues my point about software strength.

This isn't damage control, this is merely pointing out some facts, I'm not stopping you from having your fun, I'm just cautioning you against reading too much into one week.

So? They will still move systems. Which was your original point. You started talking about 10m+ and 20m+ sellers part way through the conversation.

At the second bit. How about a bet?

PS3 > Wii next weeks numbers WW? Take it or leave it?

I actually already said in another thread that I expect it to outsell Wii this, week as well, but I expect by end of September it'll be back to around 120-130K a week, plus I never make bets, I actually said in another thread I think bets are stupid



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Carl on 10 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
To everyrone replying to Avinash.

Look at his sig, and you will notice what type of member he is.

Its pointless trying to talk sense into him, just ignore his damage control.

Im sure he will be all happy again when his precious Wii is back on top weekly.

In order to talk sense you need to have sensible arguments, I'm still waiting for yours, see my point has remained that software is required to maintain momentum and the fact that PS3 lacks the software is the reason why this sales spike wont last, its not that I'll be happy when the Wii is back on top weekly, its that Wii will be back on top weekly because of its software strength compared with the PS3, as I've shown regardless of how you want to spin it, the Wii has the software strength that Sony and MS don't.

I stopped having a sensible arguement with you when you gave me the MK Wii launch week as your arguement.

And you are basicly saying PS3 hasn't got any big system selling games coming out...

Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Modern Warfare 2, God of War 3... all say hello to you.

Now please, stop with the damage control and let some PS3 fans actually have a good moment involving sales.

None of those games with maybe the small possiblity of Gran Turismo will breach 10 million on the PS2, most wont even pass 5 million, which kind of continues my point about software strength.

This isn't damage control, this is merely pointing out some facts, I'm not stopping you from having your fun, I'm just cautioning you against reading too much into one week.

So? They will still move systems. Which was your original point. You started talking about 10m+ and 20m+ sellers part way through the conversation.

At the second bit. How about a bet?

PS3 > Wii next weeks numbers WW? Take it or leave it?

I actually already said in another thread that I expect it to outsell Wii this, week as well, but I expect by end of September it'll be back to around 120-130K a week, plus I never make bets, I actually said in another thread I think bets are stupid

You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Earlier in THIS thread you said PS3 wont beat Wii next week

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2581945

Im not replying to you anymore... really starting to piss me off.



                            

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Avinash_Tyagi on 10 September 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
To everyrone replying to Avinash.

Look at his sig, and you will notice what type of member he is.

Its pointless trying to talk sense into him, just ignore his damage control.

Im sure he will be all happy again when his precious Wii is back on top weekly.

In order to talk sense you need to have sensible arguments, I'm still waiting for yours, see my point has remained that software is required to maintain momentum and the fact that PS3 lacks the software is the reason why this sales spike wont last, its not that I'll be happy when the Wii is back on top weekly, its that Wii will be back on top weekly because of its software strength compared with the PS3, as I've shown regardless of how you want to spin it, the Wii has the software strength that Sony and MS don't.

I stopped having a sensible arguement with you when you gave me the MK Wii launch week as your arguement.

And you are basicly saying PS3 hasn't got any big system selling games coming out...

Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Modern Warfare 2, God of War 3... all say hello to you.

Now please, stop with the damage control and let some PS3 fans actually have a good moment involving sales.

None of those games with maybe the small possiblity of Gran Turismo will breach 10 million on the PS2, most wont even pass 5 million, which kind of continues my point about software strength.

This isn't damage control, this is merely pointing out some facts, I'm not stopping you from having your fun, I'm just cautioning you against reading too much into one week.

So? They will still move systems. Which was your original point. You started talking about 10m+ and 20m+ sellers part way through the conversation.

At the second bit. How about a bet?

PS3 > Wii next weeks numbers WW? Take it or leave it?

I actually already said in another thread that I expect it to outsell Wii this, week as well, but I expect by end of September it'll be back to around 120-130K a week, plus I never make bets, I actually said in another thread I think bets are stupid

You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Earlier in THIS thread you said PS3 wont beat Wii next week

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2581945

Im not replying to you anymore... really starting to piss me off.

I said software, not hardware



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 10 September 2009
CGI-Quality said:
@ Carl

Deep breaths man, take DEEP breaths.....


  lol, maybe I should teach him some yoga



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Carl on 10 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

None of those games with maybe the small possiblity of Gran Turismo will breach 10 million on the PS2, most wont even pass 5 million, which kind of continues my point about software strength.

This isn't damage control, this is merely pointing out some facts, I'm not stopping you from having your fun, I'm just cautioning you against reading too much into one week.

So? They will still move systems. Which was your original point. You started talking about 10m+ and 20m+ sellers part way through the conversation.

At the second bit. How about a bet?

PS3 > Wii next weeks numbers WW? Take it or leave it?

I actually already said in another thread that I expect it to outsell Wii this, week as well, but I expect by end of September it'll be back to around 120-130K a week, plus I never make bets, I actually said in another thread I think bets are stupid

You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Earlier in THIS thread you said PS3 wont beat Wii next week

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2581945

Im not replying to you anymore... really starting to piss me off.

I said software, not hardware

Alright il bite.

I said, "...Can PS3 keep it up and be above Wii next week?"

You said, "It wont..."

And THEN you used software for your reason as to why it wont.

@CGI. Easier said than done.



                            

Avinash_Tyagi on 10 September 2009
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

None of those games with maybe the small possiblity of Gran Turismo will breach 10 million on the PS2, most wont even pass 5 million, which kind of continues my point about software strength.

This isn't damage control, this is merely pointing out some facts, I'm not stopping you from having your fun, I'm just cautioning you against reading too much into one week.

So? They will still move systems. Which was your original point. You started talking about 10m+ and 20m+ sellers part way through the conversation.

At the second bit. How about a bet?

PS3 > Wii next weeks numbers WW? Take it or leave it?

I actually already said in another thread that I expect it to outsell Wii this, week as well, but I expect by end of September it'll be back to around 120-130K a week, plus I never make bets, I actually said in another thread I think bets are stupid

You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Earlier in THIS thread you said PS3 wont beat Wii next week

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2581945

Im not replying to you anymore... really starting to piss me off.

I said software, not hardware

Alright il bite.

I said, "...Can PS3 keep it up and be above Wii next week?"

You said, "It wont..."

And THEN you used software for your reason as to why it wont.

@CGI. Easier said than done.

Oh, I see your misunderstanding,  I was referring to its being able to keep it up, not next week, sorry if I wasn't clear



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

pbroy on 10 September 2009
hatmoza said:
pbroy said:

You forgot one!

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