Borkachev said: You could also try looking at the old video somebody made of Final Fantasy X and how it looked before the PS3 did any upscaling and then ask that same question. As far as I know, the bad jaggies from that video were an issue with the early PS3 firmware. The problem was corrected a couple months later, and upscaling/smoothing were added a couple months after that. So you should compare the upscaling effects with more recent footage.

 The problem was that there weren't any upscaling options and such before the firmware update. When the firmware was updated, the options were added in the options portion of the XMB, now they're available in-game and can be toggled when you're playing. 

I was talking about the 1.5 update. Before that, there'd been an issue that made BC games look even worse than they did on their original systems, which is what that FFX video was about. (I assume you're talking about this one). The 1.5 update fixed this issue, so that the image quality would look like the right half (PS2 half) of that video. The upscaling/smoothing options were added later, in update 1.8. So in theory at least, PS1/2 games with upscaling/smoothing on should now look better than they did on their original systems.

I don't know about smoothing. Like I said before, I noticed that with upscaling on and smoothing off, the games with the progressive scan option looked similar with progressive scan on and off.

There is a 576i? Does Wii support it?

Sorry off topic but still....

That image does look a lot better than 480i

576i @ 50Hz is standard PAL.

Except there is a delay of a couple frames while upscaling - so fighters or any other game that requires split second timing is out of the question.

I honestly notice very little difference on my set for games. However, DVD upscaling is quite nice.

KruzeS said: 576i @ 50Hz is standard PAL.

 

Ah yes I'm wrong about the 480i image. With composite cable it doesn't show which standard it is in.

How come my TV doesnt show with composite with a Pal PS2 console and Jak III for instance the standard on my screen but when I use the component cable it shows 576i and improves the images? Without progressive scan.

Back then when I've tested with my JP Import console, with composite my TV screen showed the standard 480i and with component cable and game supporting it, 480p, or else the game stays in 480i, without hardly a single improvement.

I guess for Pal owners with a WII and a LCD / HD TV its important anyhow to have a component cable for improvement and to have more improvement by using progessive scan. I've noticed now, you're better off as a Pal owner with a PS2 and component cable than as a NTSC user. When I was just playing a part of Jak III without progressive scan only in 576i, I really had a "wow" feeling. When playing a FFXII on my NTSC JP PS2 back then, with only 480i standard and no progressive scan support I more had a "ouch" feeling, in the sense of getting a headache.

@sieanr:

Why would there be a frame delay with upscaling? Are you sure it's not the response time of the television that you're referring to?

Also, it is always advisable to use the best type of cabling available for your console/TV; the image quality between composite and component particularly will be quite noticeable.

@ sienar : Well, I don't have any frame delay.  I certainly wouldn't have managed to do the "dodge 200 lightnings" minigame in FFX on the PS3 ,if I had any delay.

GooseGaws said: Also, it is always advisable to use the best type of cabling available for your console/TV; the image quality between composite and component particularly will be quite noticeable.

When it comes to the PS2, only with Pal not with NTSC in my experience. I see major differences with my Pal game and that only in 576i, but with my NTSC JP games I didn't see any differences unless the game supported progressive scan.

I'm happy now, I can still use my European PS2 for several Western releases and for my pile of Japanese PS2 / PS games, I just need a Japanese PS3 with BC