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NKAJ on 08 September 2009
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
Black RL said:
NKAJ said:
lol why are people so desperate to say xbox is as good as ps3 in graphics?

WRONG, look at the forums, look at the threads. The REAL question is:

"Why are people so desperate to say PS3 is as good as XBOX360 in graphics?"

That's the real question.


um riiiiiiiight.

 


Refer you to the post above yours. :)


lol im confused..

Te main point was, that PS3 is not as capable as you think.

This is Crytek speaking in front of Sony and all devs at GDC:

" Now theres alot of engines that run, or to major engines that run beside us on consoles. But I would argue that nobody is running on PS3 as good as we do. I can put my hand on fire on this, NOBODY. I mean nobody. I have seen what people are running on PS3 and we here are running on PS3, 360 and PC this quality bar. I mean PS3 is the lowest medium for alot of people and in our case PS3 is running at the top level.

It's very difficult. The PS3 as an engine..uh.. as a technology platform is extremely challenging. But all the SPU's, the Cell architecture itself.. the...the.. low end GPU compared to the rest of the family, the 360 and PC it adds complexity to it, but we have managed to extract that complexity for the developer and write intelliugent computer systems that actually take care of the problems. Umm thats it."

just make a thread for that qoute cos pretty much every reply sems to come bundled with it..

perhaps but i dont htink wev seen the best of ps3



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Mazty on 08 September 2009

Because those graphics aren't stunning?
The God is in the detail. Look deeper and the pictures aren't as good as you may think they are.



selnor on 08 September 2009
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
Black RL said:
NKAJ said:
lol why are people so desperate to say xbox is as good as ps3 in graphics?

WRONG, look at the forums, look at the threads. The REAL question is:

"Why are people so desperate to say PS3 is as good as XBOX360 in graphics?"

That's the real question.


um riiiiiiiight.

 


Refer you to the post above yours. :)


lol im confused..

Te main point was, that PS3 is not as capable as you think.

This is Crytek speaking in front of Sony and all devs at GDC:

" Now theres alot of engines that run, or to major engines that run beside us on consoles. But I would argue that nobody is running on PS3 as good as we do. I can put my hand on fire on this, NOBODY. I mean nobody. I have seen what people are running on PS3 and we here are running on PS3, 360 and PC this quality bar. I mean PS3 is the lowest medium for alot of people and in our case PS3 is running at the top level.

It's very difficult. The PS3 as an engine..uh.. as a technology platform is extremely challenging. But all the SPU's, the Cell architecture itself.. the...the.. low end GPU compared to the rest of the family, the 360 and PC it adds complexity to it, but we have managed to extract that complexity for the developer and write intelliugent computer systems that actually take care of the problems. Umm thats it."

just make a thread for that qoute cos pretty much every reply sems to come bundled with it..

perhaps but i dont htink wev seen the best of ps3

I did. LOL. But there are still those who only hear what they want to hear. To be honest I dont think we will see much beyond CRYEngine 3 this gen. Maybe small improvements but It really is pushing consoles alot.



NKAJ on 08 September 2009
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
Black RL said:
NKAJ said:
lol why are people so desperate to say xbox is as good as ps3 in graphics?

WRONG, look at the forums, look at the threads. The REAL question is:

"Why are people so desperate to say PS3 is as good as XBOX360 in graphics?"

That's the real question.


um riiiiiiiight.

 


Refer you to the post above yours. :)


lol im confused..

Te main point was, that PS3 is not as capable as you think.

This is Crytek speaking in front of Sony and all devs at GDC:

" Now theres alot of engines that run, or to major engines that run beside us on consoles. But I would argue that nobody is running on PS3 as good as we do. I can put my hand on fire on this, NOBODY. I mean nobody. I have seen what people are running on PS3 and we here are running on PS3, 360 and PC this quality bar. I mean PS3 is the lowest medium for alot of people and in our case PS3 is running at the top level.

It's very difficult. The PS3 as an engine..uh.. as a technology platform is extremely challenging. But all the SPU's, the Cell architecture itself.. the...the.. low end GPU compared to the rest of the family, the 360 and PC it adds complexity to it, but we have managed to extract that complexity for the developer and write intelliugent computer systems that actually take care of the problems. Umm thats it."

just make a thread for that qoute cos pretty much every reply sems to come bundled with it..

perhaps but i dont htink wev seen the best of ps3

I did. LOL. But there are still those who only hear what they want to hear. To be honest I dont think we will see much beyond CRYEngine 3 this gen. Maybe small improvements but It really is pushing consoles alot.

my bad.well as i  said only time will tell



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

Sardauk on 08 September 2009

CRYengine 3 !! Only possible on... hun... also possilbe on PS3 !



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

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Black RL on 08 September 2009

Exclusives? So this games look bad or something?

-FORZA3
-Splinter Cell Conviction
-Gears of War 2
-Mass Effect 2
-Alan Wake

And let's NOT talk about multi..... You know what happens there......

Don't give me that argument! BOTH consoles are capable of great graphics!




Ultibankai on 08 September 2009
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
NKAJ said:
Black RL said:
NKAJ said:
lol why are people so desperate to say xbox is as good as ps3 in graphics?

WRONG, look at the forums, look at the threads. The REAL question is:

"Why are people so desperate to say PS3 is as good as XBOX360 in graphics?"

That's the real question.


um riiiiiiiight.

 


Refer you to the post above yours. :)


lol im confused..

Te main point was, that PS3 is not as capable as you think.

This is Crytek speaking in front of Sony and all devs at GDC:

" Now theres alot of engines that run, or to major engines that run beside us on consoles. But I would argue that nobody is running on PS3 as good as we do. I can put my hand on fire on this, NOBODY. I mean nobody. I have seen what people are running on PS3 and we here are running on PS3, 360 and PC this quality bar. I mean PS3 is the lowest medium for alot of people and in our case PS3 is running at the top level.

It's very difficult. The PS3 as an engine..uh.. as a technology platform is extremely challenging. But all the SPU's, the Cell architecture itself.. the...the.. low end GPU compared to the rest of the family, the 360 and PC it adds complexity to it, but we have managed to extract that complexity for the developer and write intelliugent computer systems that actually take care of the problems. Umm thats it."

Exactly, the PS3 is slightly inferior in terms of clock speed for textures and lighting, but slightly outdoes the 360 in terms of Physics, Particle effects, and the amount of things on screen at once.  Part of the reason the PS3 version of Batman: AA has a better camera angle to show more details on screen.   There was a site posted earlier in this very thread that explains these things.

*Notice the word Slightly*

There is no huge gap between these consoles that certain fanboys would have people believe.  They are equal in many ways, and better than each other in a few.  The 360's GPU is by a fair margin better than the PS3's, but the PS3's CPU is even greater than the 360's.  When everything is said and done they are about equal, but one is definitely easier to harness.  The quality bar for each console depends on the developers.




               

                  

WarmachineX on 08 September 2009

really nice looking game; its too bad I dont like racing games.





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ithis on 08 September 2009

I have a somewhat related question. I read a some years back, in a Lair review, that the reviewer felt that the amount of units (speciffically soldiers) on the screen at one time was something, he said, "you can tell your friend he's XBox can't do". Is this true, I mean, are there games on the XBox360 that have the same amount of characters on screen as Lair or Heavenly Sword?

Lair example, the first part of the video.

Heavenly Sword example, at 0:45.

Please don't treat this post as hostile.

And also, Lair is a great game :).

 



Mazty on 08 September 2009
Ultibankai said:
selnor said:

Te main point was, that PS3 is not as capable as you think.

This is Crytek speaking in front of Sony and all devs at GDC:

" Now theres alot of engines that run, or to major engines that run beside us on consoles. But I would argue that nobody is running on PS3 as good as we do. I can put my hand on fire on this, NOBODY. I mean nobody. I have seen what people are running on PS3 and we here are running on PS3, 360 and PC this quality bar. I mean PS3 is the lowest medium for alot of people and in our case PS3 is running at the top level.

It's very difficult. The PS3 as an engine..uh.. as a technology platform is extremely challenging. But all the SPU's, the Cell architecture itself.. the...the.. low end GPU compared to the rest of the family, the 360 and PC it adds complexity to it, but we have managed to extract that complexity for the developer and write intelliugent computer systems that actually take care of the problems. Umm thats it."

Exactly, the PS3 is slightly inferior in terms of clock speed for textures and lighting, but slightly outdoes the 360 in terms of Physics, Particle effects, and the amount of things on screen at once.  Part of the reason the PS3 version of Batman: AA has a better camera angle to show more details on screen.   There was a site posted earlier in this very thread that explains these things.

*Notice the word Slightly*

There is no huge gap between these consoles that certain fanboys would have people believe.  They are equal in many ways, and better than each other in a few.  The 360's GPU is by a fair margin better than the PS3's, but the PS3's CPU is even greater than the 360's.  When everything is said and done they are about equal, but one is definitely easier to harness.  The quality bar for each console depends on the developers.

The CPU on the PS3 is far superior to that of the 360, and pushes the graphic capabilities far past the 360 as there is very little in it GPU vs GPU,, as the Cell doesn't suck for rendering. Plus, the PS3 has a permanent HDD, which allows for texture installation, which is a great advantage of the PS3.