Wait...what?  So in your view the government could/should force me to treat someone I don't like/approve of/etc...the same as someone I do like/approve of? 

People have a right to be intolerant idiots so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. If they want to talk about it or put a sign up they can, but nobody should be able to force them to.

Elements of the gay community and their supporters have been intolerant, in several instances, towards religious people.  I'm not talking about fighting for their rights by advocacy or lobbying just to be clear. I'm talking about listing names and numbers of private citizens who supported prop 8 on a website and encouraging people to call them or go to their houses.

The goal of the gay rights movement is not, and should not be, to make everyone agree with the gay lifestyle, it should be to achieve equal rights under the law.  When people take it past that and get up in people's faces for not approving of a gay lifestlye personally they are in the wrong, plain and simple.  It's no different than when a religious person gets in a gay person's face to ridicule them for being gay.  Both are examples of ignorant intolerance, this underlies the very philosophy behind the movement to begin with - that nobody has the right to tell someone else what to think/feel/do. Even when someone believes something completely and utterly dispicable they have the right to believe it.  As it has been said, the concept of freedom of speach exists, not to protect popular speach, but to protect unpopular speach.

Put simply, you can't legislate people's thoughts.  Despite the efforts of many a tyrant.

What the hell is this!? God I hate humanity. I'm so sick and tired of people bashing gays when they did not choose to be gay in the first place. It's so freaking annoying and I hope one day the world be be a better place and all of this hatered will just go away. -_-

I certainly did not choose it. and I have never met a gay person that did either. I can't wait until I get some equal rights!

You didn't read the thread.

I don't really want to read some posts from people that are glad that I have less rights than they do. screw that.

edit: I read one random post and I saw a stereotype that is false in the first sentence. ugh. -_-

This thread says that people who do not support gay marriage should have to put a sign up where they live and where they work annoucing that they're against. This is extremely similar to what Nazis did the Jews during the Holocaust.

Yeah, I know. I read the first post. I think you just mis-understood me.

I think you mis-understood my post Sqrl. I'm saying it should be illegal to refuse a service to somebody because of their sexuality, just as it should be to do so because of their race. I'm not saying the government has to enforce acceptance or even tolerance of homosexuality (because the government can't - as you pointed out) but the government does have an obligation to ensure that gays are treated equally in practice.

Now they shouldn't be forced to put a sign up, but they shouldn't be allowed to refuse the service in the first place! There should be no need for these signs at all.

Edit: The only people who should be allowed to refuse service to gays are churches (or other places of worship), who should be allowed to decide whether they want to perform gay marriage ceremonies or not.

uh... sqrl... This has nothing to do with legislating thoughts. Denying service to someone based on prejudice isn't a thought, it's an action. And governments do have an obligation to regulate actions that infringe on human rights. The idea isn't to treat gays differently at all. It's to treat them the same as everybody else.

you do realize its illegal in the U.S. (and I'm assuming any other advanced nation) to deny service to people based on skin colour, sex or religion.

Why would you want to support "traditional" marriage? Its not like us strait people are very good at lifelong monogamous relationships.

I say we give the gay community a go.

there are exceptions to that most notably in the service industry. Also in Hollywood. if you're a screenwriter and you're doing a sequel to Roots (for example), obviously, you're going to look to hire black actors. Or if you're doing a history of China, then you're going to look for Chinese actors, etc. etc. If we had affirmative action on hollywood movies, I'm not quite sure how movies would look.

Another example would be stuff like doing massages. Some women will only massage other women, etc. etc.

By the letter of the law, that is race and sex discrimination.

Likewise, If I wanted to do a traditional Hasidic wedding or whatnot, a rabbi probably wouldn't let me unless I was really a Hasidic Jew. Is that religious discrimation? I guess by the letter of the law yes, but I'm not going to make a big fuss about it.

Like Mafoo said earlier, we should just recognize only civil unions, and then each group/church/whatever can call it what they want and no one gets hurt.

If Church A doesn't want to marry Gays, then fine. A gay couple can probably shop around and find another church that will.