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JEDE3 on 02 September 2009
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*


I know man. Those people are ridiculous.



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heruamon on 02 September 2009

The value of XBL is an "absolute" determination...this is like saying are store brands better than name brand...hmmm...it depends. Personally, for my I can taste the difference between a can of coke, and a can of another soda. It's all about what value do you extra from the service...



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

vlad321 on 02 September 2009
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

JEDE3 on 02 September 2009

vlad - I've never heard of that... That is screwed up.



heruamon on 02 September 2009
vlad321 said:
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

nothing to thing about...sony tried the developer route...and it failed on the ps2...which is why they copied XBL for their psn.  Most serious users of XBL are satisfied with the service received from XBL...and the fee...the major compliants come from people who DON'T  subscribe...WTF?  It would seem that people who dislike 360 would be happy about XBL, since following their logic, people will shift to psn, since it's fee...



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

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vlad321 on 02 September 2009
heruamon said:
vlad321 said:
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

nothing to thing about...sony tried the developer route...and it failed on the ps2...which is why they copied XBL for their psn.  Most serious users of XBL are satisfied with the service received from XBL...and the fee...the major compliants come from people who DON'T  subscribe...WTF?  It would seem that people who dislike 360 would be happy about XBL, since following their logic, people will shift to psn, since it's fee...

I'm not bashing the service at all, it's the price. The service is great and all, but why pay when I have better and free right here on my PC?

 

Edit: Oh yeah, one of the reasons why LIVE is far inferior to PC online. I'll prove it by example: Team Fortress 2 updates for PC - often and free, new L4D content - free. For the 360 from LIVE - Pay to get a hold of and updates for TF2 are accumulated into bigger ones and passed off as DLC and the new L4D content is also DLC(read: you pay for them). In fact they TRIED to deliver them free, but have been forced to make you pay.

So not only you pay for the service, you also pay for shit that should have been free to being with.... No thank you, I'll stay far far away.

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

heruamon on 02 September 2009
vlad321 said:
heruamon said:
vlad321 said:
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

nothing to thing about...sony tried the developer route...and it failed on the ps2...which is why they copied XBL for their psn.  Most serious users of XBL are satisfied with the service received from XBL...and the fee...the major compliants come from people who DON'T  subscribe...WTF?  It would seem that people who dislike 360 would be happy about XBL, since following their logic, people will shift to psn, since it's fee...

I'm not bashing the service at all, it's the price. The service is great and all, but why pay when I have better and free right here on my PC?


Why do people buy coke and pepsi, when store brands are cheaper?  Choice...I have an EXPECTATION from M$ of service, wrt to my XBL service...I pay them for my service, so i have a sense of entitlement about the service.  I just don't see how people who get a service for free can have the same expectation...it doesn't make sense to me...that's all.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

vlad321 on 02 September 2009
heruamon said:
vlad321 said:
heruamon said:
vlad321 said:
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

nothing to thing about...sony tried the developer route...and it failed on the ps2...which is why they copied XBL for their psn.  Most serious users of XBL are satisfied with the service received from XBL...and the fee...the major compliants come from people who DON'T  subscribe...WTF?  It would seem that people who dislike 360 would be happy about XBL, since following their logic, people will shift to psn, since it's fee...

I'm not bashing the service at all, it's the price. The service is great and all, but why pay when I have better and free right here on my PC?


Why do people buy coke and pepsi, when store brands are cheaper?  Choice...I have an EXPECTATION from M$ of service, wrt to my XBL service...I pay them for my service, so i have a sense of entitlement about the service.  I just don't see how people who get a service for free can have the same expectation...it doesn't make sense to me...that's all.

Same way I can expect a game with a gun and a first-person perspective to allow me to shoot. Multiplayer back in the day was not easy, there were no services such a B.net or gamespy or whatever. You had to manually connect two computers via the internet in some of the most creative ways possible (especially back in the days of like dial-up, also IPX instead of LAN). A bunch of services cropped up Heat.net, Gamespy that offered them and later companies even included their own netcode, like B.net, Westwood Online, UT, etc. to their games to make the experience even better and to justify people buying their crap.

Basically, it's like a whole new search engine to popping up in 5 years, have worse results then Google, yet still charge people for using it. How do you think that will fly with everyone? Yeah... that's about as well as GFW LIVE flew with the PC crowd back when it cost money (looking at you GoW and Halo 2).

 

P.S. I had another edit in the last post about why you shouldn't even bother with LIVE.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

ameratsu on 02 September 2009
vlad321 said:

So not only you pay for the service, you also pay for shit that should have been free to being with.... No thank you, I'll stay far far away.

 

 

Seriously, this. For L4D inparticular: No dedicated servers, no mods, no 8v8 versus, no user made campaigns (there's some great ones). Not only do you pay just to connect to other users, but microsoft's restrictions and the general inflexibility of console gaming mean you are missing out on part of what makes valve games so awesome.

I understand why microsoft does it. They pioneered the model on the xbox and carried that success over to the x360. XBL was created during the infancy of console online play, and people were and still are receptive to a paid online model. However, with online services available for free on every other platform, I won't consider buying any microsoft console until online play is free.



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Zizzla_Rachet on 02 September 2009
vlad321 said:
themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

Not everyone has or Games on a pc..And the larger percent of People playing on PC...are playing Games with a huge monthly fee...You can't call XBL and infirior Procuct becuase PC has hundreds more Programers making freeware...OF Which MS is responsible in helping it get to you, to an extent...

Games for Windows is Free becuase of Hackers....Xbox Live can't be hacked that easy.... and as all of Xbox Live Gold users are saying...You get what you pay for...