Well first off, unless you partook in an action that you can confidently say, contributed to giving your group the rights it deserves, you should not feel that you "as a group" did it. I hate it when country men bring up the achievements of their past countrymen and say it like they did something. Why should you be proud that your nationality had a great philosopher, a scientist, athlete, etc? You did nothing you were only lucky enough to be born on the same soil as those great men and women.

Why should you be proud that you share the same last name and lineage as great people? Why should you be proud of the achievements of others? Such things are only leeching in my opinion, and result in less motivation for people to do something prideworthy themselves. Pride causes stagnation.

And why does one need to be proud, and why is depressed considered a state of not being proud? Can't one be simply neutral? I don't feel proud or ashamed right now, and I hope I don't do anything shameful and I'm trying to make something of myself that's worthy of pride.

Look, someone tell me, forget the circumstances and everything else. If I have a certain pigment in my skin, what is so fucking great about it, that I should be proud of? If I want to stick my penis into a vagina as opposed to an anus, what is so fucking great about that, that I should be proud of it?

It's ridiculous, please, tell me, not about how you're oppressed, not about how you need to do it to counter shame, but just the core question, what is pride worthy of being gay, straight, black, white, asian, etc. And you realize, if it's pride worthy to be fucking EVERYTHING, then it completely cheapens the value of pride. You can be proud of fuck, a hundred things. I'm proud because I have brown hair, I'm wearing a yellow shirt, I'm in my boxers, etc, etc.

God dammit, I fucking hate PC because of this.

Pride isn't necessary to be at peace >.< Being proud is a positive, you're not at a neutral state, but in a happy positive one. Why can't someone not be proud or ashamed, and be completely calm and fine? That is true peace in my opinion.

So, you believe 10% of people are gay because most won't admit it? That's a piss poor reason for thinking so.

I live in Brighton, and even 1 in 10 is too high for here. There is no way 10% of the worlds population is gay.

actually, cristianity is the one that introduce this type of hate and intolerance towards things that oppose their beliefs. in ancient greece and roman times, it was completly normal to have sex with a man or women, most roman emperors were bisexual, that is until constantine came and fucked us all.

Nice, I nearly dated a DJ from Brighton ^^

Err... yeah. The Romans and Greeks sure were tollerant people... what with not the slavery (and the infamous crucifixtions along the roads after the Spartacus revolts), salting Carthage, persecuting Jews and then later Christians...

yes, if you obey rome and accept the emperor as god(dominus et deus, 96) everything was fine. but christianity only becomes tolerant gradually and that is really slow. the inquisition, the crusades, slavery was accepted among cristians too(american civil war, a war upon a nation founded by cristianity) ku kux klan, sexual abuse. protestanism often washes it hands by every church being a separate entity, but the level of tolerance is way lower in protestanism that catolicism.

So why not replace Rome with the Church and replace emperor with just God? XD XD XD

I never said that Christianity was a tolerant religion at all. It's you who simply made the claim that Rome was a tolerant state and that's just absolutely bullshit.

As long as people keep their gayness private then its none of my business. What bothers me are things like gay pride parades. Why are there no straight pride parades?

If your gay then you are allowed to express yourself, but if a straight guy goes around like that it will look like he's prejudice. Fucking double standards.