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megaman79 on 23 August 2009
Jumpin said:
It comes from a nationalist mentality. Essentially people think they have to hate everything that is not what they have. These people will dig up every possible reason they can, and just continue to hate for the purpose of hating.

On another point, I don't buy this "hardcore" bs. How can a videogame or videogamer be "hardcore"? To me the whole thing sounds like a euphamistic debate for some sort of social problem for the so-called "hardcore gamer" and a term used to arbitrarilly elevate the status of a game.

I know your at post 57 already but i wanted to say welcome to Vgchartz, your intelligence is appreciated.



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Mummelmann on 23 August 2009
Jumpin said:
It comes from a nationalist mentality. Essentially people think they have to hate everything that is not what they have. These people will dig up every possible reason they can, and just continue to hate for the purpose of hating.

On another point, I don't buy this "hardcore" bs. How can a videogame or videogamer be "hardcore"? To me the whole thing sounds like a euphamistic debate for some sort of social problem for the so-called "hardcore gamer" and a term used to arbitrarilly elevate the status of a game.

So there is no logical or sound reason at all to be displeased with the Wii as a product? That is a truly strange stance to take imo. When I go out to try a few cars when I'm getting a new one, some of them will appeal less to me than the one I eventually choose, is that irrational? I don't think it is, perhaps some people just feel that Nintendo are wasting their time, the same way that the most avid Wii supporters feel that Sony and MS are. That's the core of this discussion; hating on the PS3 or 360 is perfectly reasonable and is seen as a sign of maturity in here while hating on the Wii is seen as childish and unfounded.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I hate the Wii myself and I am getting one for a few must have games, but I am sorely disappointed in it and Nintendo today are not the ones I've grown to love since my first NES in 1989. Perhaps that makes me a silly, childish man, but my preferences are not based on what magazines tell me or word of mouth but rather long, personal experience. Aquired tastes are aquired and not adopted suddenly and when one's taste differs from someone else's some people get really offended by it.



Avinash_Tyagi on 23 August 2009
Mummelmann said:
Jumpin said:
It comes from a nationalist mentality. Essentially people think they have to hate everything that is not what they have. These people will dig up every possible reason they can, and just continue to hate for the purpose of hating.

On another point, I don't buy this "hardcore" bs. How can a videogame or videogamer be "hardcore"? To me the whole thing sounds like a euphamistic debate for some sort of social problem for the so-called "hardcore gamer" and a term used to arbitrarilly elevate the status of a game.

So there is no logical or sound reason at all to be displeased with the Wii as a product? That is a truly strange stance to take imo. When I go out to try a few cars when I'm getting a new one, some of them will appeal less to me than the one I eventually choose, is that irrational? I don't think it is, perhaps some people just feel that Nintendo are wasting their time, the same way that the most avid Wii supporters feel that Sony and MS are. That's the core of this discussion; hating on the PS3 or 360 is perfectly reasonable and is seen as a sign of maturity in here while hating on the Wii is seen as childish and unfounded.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I hate the Wii myself and I am getting one for a few must have games, but I am sorely disappointed in it and Nintendo today are not the ones I've grown to love since my first NES in 1989. Perhaps that makes me a silly, childish man, but my preferences are not based on what magazines tell me or word of mouth but rather long, personal experience. Aquired tastes are aquired and not adopted suddenly and when one's taste differs from someone else's some people get really offended by it.


Actually it is very irrational and illogical to dislike the Wii, see when I test drive a car I don't care for I don't hate it, I just say its not for me, and I go find the car that is right for me, there are plenty of cars out there, and at least one will be right for me, same with consoles, there are three consoles, at least one is right for you, there is no reason to hate the Wii just because it doesn't cater to you, there are two other consoles and PC's and handhelds out there to give you what you want, all this Wii hate is silly, just becuase it is catering to a market which the others don't



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Metallicube on 23 August 2009

I remember plenty of people who hated the N64 and Gamecube back in the day, and those were powerful machines with tons of "hardcore" games. I'm willing to bet a good percentage of the people that hate the Wii simply just hate nintendo and would have hated their console regardless of its characteristics.



Mummelmann on 23 August 2009

You've never driven a car you've hated? Then you're in luck...

 

Edit; I was also very surprised to see that you in no way tried to argue whether hating on other consoles is silly.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 23 August 2009
Mummelmann said:

You've never driven a car you've hated? Then you're in luck...

 

Edit; I was also very surprised to see that you in no way tried to argue whether hating on other consoles is silly.

There's no hate for other consoles, just people saying they have no interest, Wii is the only one that is hated.

 

I don't hate inanimate things, why would I, its silly



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Mummelmann on 23 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mummelmann said:

You've never driven a car you've hated? Then you're in luck...

 

Edit; I was also very surprised to see that you in no way tried to argue whether hating on other consoles is silly.

There's no hate for other consoles, just people saying they have no interest, Wii is the only one that is hated.

 

I don't hate inanimate things, why would I, its silly

Are you for real? I'm amazed you'd think that if you have an internet connection.



Torillian on 23 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mummelmann said:

You've never driven a car you've hated? Then you're in luck...

 

Edit; I was also very surprised to see that you in no way tried to argue whether hating on other consoles is silly.

There's no hate for other consoles, just people saying they have no interest, Wii is the only one that is hated.

 

I don't hate inanimate things, why would I, its silly

How do you define hate then?  Because I see people disliking other consoles and every post they have trying to downplay it, would you not call that hate?



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ph4nt on 23 August 2009

Just the Wii.

Look at the DS, you can not debate its awesomeness.



haxxiy on 23 August 2009

I always liked Nintendo games and I think the motion controller is innovative and good for the industry as a whole. But the Wii as hardware and most of it's games are, well...