Read what Nightsurge wrote.

A couple of months ago people would say that 360 was outselling the PS3 because it was double the price and people would quickly reply that that was bullshit because the Pro was the best selling version for the 360.

Since when did that change?

So that argument was valid all these months?

Your baby girl is very cute!

But... but that would mean the only reason that the Xbox was outselling the PS3 because it was better. Thats just not possible O_o

That's certainly true, and there's also the matter of software line-up to consider, which is the most important thing and where personal taste comes into play.

But I don't see how, as a piece of hardware, the 360 looks at all competitive at this point.

If I combine a microwave oven and a 360 into one package and keep the price at $300, the 360 will essentially be saving you $30-50 on a microwave. That's value. Unfortunately, not everyone gives a shit about having a microwave and a game console all in one, and that's what you don't seem to comprehend. Value only has value so long as it adds a feature the prospective buyer cares about. What you don't seem to understand is that the value of the 360 is in that final sentence you can't seem to wrap your head around, the games. Quality is subjective, but general appeal is not and appeal comes from sales.

What I'd like you to do is this. Do this exact same scenario with the Wii. Take games out of the equation (since it's all subjective) and just judge "value". You'll see even more value on the PS3's end, and yet none of that will propel it past the Wii outside of a possible initial spike over the next few weeks. Sometimes you have to understand that what people see appealing in a console cannot always be presented in a feature comparison chart. If you make all your purchases off of value charts then congrats. Most people don't.

i heard this from the Gametrailers bonus round.

michael pachter said the average price of X360 is around $290 (he must have the number as a analyst)

based on this number, he said the main stream model is the "pro" and the rest split evenly between "arcade" and "elite" (leaning more towards the arcade model).

Precisely my point.

I never said which was better though.

I absolutely love both of them if you want me to be completely honest. I was just stating a sudden change in argument lately.

Your argument is biased and flawed. It's asked to give just one correct answer. In the real world, doug's dad, people have choices.

You wanna play Madden with your friends? What's the cheapest way to play Madden 10 right now? All of your friends will be at your house this weekend. The cheapest way is the Arcade - and a copy of Madden. Have your friends bring their consoles and play. So, for $256 and change, you and your friends are playing Madden on full HD.

For a PS3 now, it's $356.

In statistics, they call your move 'cherry-picking.'

He's also Michael Pachter.