pokoko said:
I mostly agree and it's a shame about Rey. At the same time, though, I kind of understand that, too. The first part wasn't his fault, he was just caught in the wrong time at the wrong place and fans were venting over the WWE being stupid. However, I think people have gotten tired of him doing the same exact things in the ring that he did 10 years ago. I've also seen him, twice since he came back, beg not to be hit then launch a sneak attack--that's a classic heel move. CM Punk chants during good matches have gotten annoying but I don't mind the "Husky Harris" or "Albert" chants--it's up to the character to make the audience forget those characters, which is exactly what "Bray Wyatt" has done. Of course, I also absolutely hate "what" chants and wish that had never started at all. |
The real question is why Kane isn't getting "isaaac Yankem!" chants.
TheGoldenBoy said:
The era we are in right now crowd reactions aren't the same. Fans don't boo heels and cheer faces, they cheer and boo whoever they want. The Shield and the Wyatts both got cheered when they were supposed to be heel and faces like John Cena and Batista got booed. Paul Heyman was booed in the beginning of the show and Lesnar's manager but was suddenly cheered as Cesaro's. I think Cena would get booed regardless of face or heel, especially depending on the opponent. As for what a heel Cena looks like: I have no idea. But I do want to see it and see what angle WWE takes it. It could be as simple as Cena being angry with the fact that he feels he hasn't gotten the respect and loyalty he deserves for everything he has done in the WWE. He's tired of making people happy when they don't give him what he deserves. I'm not sure but that's the simplest approach I can think of at the moment. |
I'm not sure why you think that changes my point... that was actually a very crucial part of my point.
My point was that faces and heels are written differently, and that often what draws fans to a character when they are a heel is often a product of there booking.
As such, whenever they turn a Face Heel, or Heel face... there is a chance that characters popularity diminishes because part of what they liked about the character was tied into that dynamic.
Why do some fans hate John Cena? Because he always wins clean over overwhelming odds.
Heel's NEVER win clean in the modern WWE.
Superfans boo "Super Cena" harder then they would "Evil Cena".
As long as Cena is relevent he will make more sense as a face.
Some people are just MADE to play a Heel or a Face.
| d21lewis said: Watching 2006's ECW One Night Stand on WWE Network. Best crowd, EVER!! It's a magical experience so far. Anybody want to make a list of must see PPV's? |
That's tough for me, as I never had access to PPVs until recently, so I've mostly only seen individual matches.
Off the top of my head, I'd say:
Chi-Town Rumble 1989 - Steamboat vs. Flair was incredible and Lugar vs. Windham was very good (mostly because of Windham's storytelling). Windham had a really good run as US Champ.
Spring Stampede 1999 - Sting vs. Flair vs. DDP vs. Hogan with Savage as the ref. A lot of fun, and a good showing by Sting, though probably made better by the fact that it was mostly a three-way with Hogan doing little. It also had Kidman, whom I loved, vs. Rey, and Benoit/Malenko vs. Raven/Saturn.
WrestleMania 20 - Benoit vs. HHH vs. Michaels is just fantastic. It also had Guerrero vs. Angle and Evolution vs. Rock/Foley. Awesome ending.
WrestleMania 21 - Michaels vs. Angle in one of the best pure matches I've ever seen, plus the first Money in the Bank match, which was also fantastic.
pokoko said:
That's tough for me, as I never had access to PPVs until recently, so I've mostly only seen individual matches. Off the top of my head, I'd say: Chi-Town Rumble 1989 - Steamboat vs. Flair was incredible and Lugar vs. Windham was very good (mostly because of Windham's storytelling). Windham had a really good run as US Champ. Spring Stampede 1999 - Sting vs. Flair vs. DDP vs. Hogan with Savage as the ref. A lot of fun, and a good showing by Sting, though probably made better by the fact that it was mostly a three-way with Hogan doing little. It also had Kidman, whom I loved, vs. Rey, and Benoit/Malenko vs. Raven/Saturn. WrestleMania 20 - Benoit vs. HHH vs. Michaels is just fantastic. It also had Guerrero vs. Angle and Evolution vs. Rock/Foley. Awesome ending. WrestleMania 21 - Michaels vs. Angle in one of the best pure matches I've ever seen, plus the first Money in the Bank match, which was also fantastic. |
Its funny, because until Wrestlemania 20, I didnt think triple threats worked as a Main Event.
FDARaptor said:
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It is true that a lot of three-way and four-way matches aren't very good. I think it takes a lot of skill and effort to make them work. They also need to have a good measure of storytelling and build going in or they can turn into a mess. However, when they work, they can be amazing. The Styles vs. Daniels vs. Samoa Joe matches are another example and some of the best matches I've ever seen.
I wish TNA would strike some type of deal and become part of the WWE Network. You guys reminded me of some great matches when Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe would go head to head. Wouldn't mind seeing those guys in their prime again.
| d21lewis said: I wish TNA would strike some type of deal and become part of the WWE Network. You guys reminded me of some great matches when Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe would go head to head. Wouldn't mind seeing those guys in their prime again. |
Don't forget teams like America's Most Wanted, Triple X, and Beer Money. TNA once had some of the best tag team matches in the history of professional wrestling. Oh, and absolutely insane stuff like this:
Those King of the Mountain matches were actually a lot of fun.
pokoko said:
Don't forget teams like America's Most Wanted, Triple X, and Beer Money. TNA once had some of the best tag team matches in the history of professional wrestling. Oh, and absolutely insane stuff like this:
Those King of the Mountain matches were actually a lot of fun. |
HOLY SHIT!!
d21lewis said:
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This was a monster's ball match with abyss vs jeff hardy vs rhino vs sabu. Shit was extreme.
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